When Champions Fall: Examining the Most Painful Defeats in Sports History
This podcast episode delves into the profound implications of experiencing significant losses in sports, highlighting the emotional and psychological ramifications that accompany such events. We commence with the assertion that success is inherently linked to the pursuit of one's ideals, and this theme resonates throughout our discourse on various heart-wrenching defeats. We explore notable instances, including the Atlanta Falcons’ historic Super Bowl loss to the New England Patriots, which epitomizes the agony of a once-promising lead dissipating into despair. We further examine the tragic narratives surrounding the Chelsea FC Champions League final and the heart-wrenching moments in tennis, such as Nadal's near-victory against Djokovic. Through these examples, we underscore the lessons learned from these painful experiences, emphasizing the importance of resilience and the relentless pursuit of one's aspirations in the face of adversity.
The discourse surrounding sports often oscillates between triumph and tribulation, and in this particular episode, we delve into the profound ramifications of significant losses in athletic history. Our conversation is anchored in the notion that sports extend beyond mere games; they encapsulate the emotional rollercoaster experienced by fans and players alike. We explore the concept of success as a continuous journey toward a noble goal, emphasizing that such losses serve as pivotal learning moments. We reflect on instances where teams or athletes faced insurmountable challenges and, through introspection, we analyze the decisions that could have altered the trajectories of their respective careers. This discussion not only highlights specific events but also examines the broader implications of failure in the sporting realm, urging listeners to derive lessons from these heart-wrenching experiences.
Our dialogue intricately weaves through memorable sporting moments, particularly focusing on the most excruciating defeats that have left indelible marks on the psyche of fans. From the heart-stopping climax of the 2003 NFL Super Bowl to the agonizing near-misses in soccer's prestigious tournaments, we dissect the factors contributing to these outcomes. The emotional weight of such losses is palpable, as we recount personal anecdotes and collective sentiments that resonate deeply within the sporting community. The episode culminates in a powerful reminder that while the pursuit of victory is paramount, the lessons learned from failure are equally invaluable, shaping not only athletes but also the devoted supporters who rally behind them. Ultimately, we encourage a reflective approach to these narratives, fostering resilience and a growth mindset in the face of adversity.
In this episode, we further delve into the psychological aspects surrounding defeat, emphasizing the importance of mental fortitude among athletes. The discussion transitions into a broader examination of how losing can impact an athlete's career trajectory and personal identity, often leading to profound self-discovery and growth. We encourage our listeners to engage with these narratives, recognizing that the essence of sport lies not solely in the victories but also in the resilience displayed during times of hardship. By embracing the lessons found in loss, we can cultivate a deeper appreciation for the unwavering spirit of competition, ultimately fostering a culture that celebrates perseverance and tenacity in the face of adversity. Join us as we traverse the intricate landscape of sports, reflecting on the lessons learned from painful losses and the enduring spirit of those who dare to compete.
Takeaways:
- Success is defined as the progressive realization of a valuable ideal, aligning with our highest values.
- Experiencing painful losses in sports teaches us valuable lessons about perseverance and resilience.
- Athletes must remain mentally focused and not succumb to pressure during crucial moments of competition.
- It is essential to learn from historical sports losses to improve future performance and decision-making.
Transcript
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Speaker A:Welcome back to the NJ Podcast to remember that success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.
Speaker A:That means you're going off for what you've always want to go after.
Speaker A:Because aligned with your highest values.
Speaker A:And that's the only way to live a fully inspired and successful life.
Speaker A:And it's been a while since we did one of these.
Speaker A:Since January.
Speaker A:Since January has been his fault.
Speaker A:It's completely his fault.
Speaker A:We've been recording his episodes because he's done number 31.
Speaker A:He's on like 11 this year.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'm only like on one one or two.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Cuz.
Speaker B:Cuz I live in the studio.
Speaker A:He lives in.
Speaker B:Yeah, he lives, I literally live in the studio.
Speaker A:He does, he does live in the studio.
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Speaker B:I literally spend every day in here.
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Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It's a Sunday.
Speaker A:Let's not lie like that.
Speaker B:I'm just saying I'm not the one that spends every waking moment in here.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's not you.
Speaker A:It's me.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's me.
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Speaker B:So what's your excuse?
Speaker A:I don't have an excuse.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Winners do not make excuses.
Speaker B:I don't have that house in Saxon world.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is why, this is why.
Speaker A:Why you got to do that?
Speaker A:Why I got to do that.
Speaker B:Gotta remind you.
Speaker B:Got gotta humble you gotta humble you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
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Speaker A:31 episodes.
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Speaker A:Look at all my episodes.
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Speaker B:When I send emails, I share the link.
Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, check it out, check out my link.
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Speaker B:I'm like, yeah, I'm a superstar.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Okay, good, good.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it feels good, man.
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Speaker A:No, that's good, that's, that's good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think as been lining up quite a number of guests.
Speaker A:We just need to schedule down.
Speaker A:I still need to get time with Peniel, the black pen.
Speaker B:What did you guys do?
Speaker B:What, what did I do?
Speaker B:What do you mean?
Speaker B:From you.
Speaker B:Me as well.
Speaker A:I, I would like him to come in and just talk about what his take on and how he feels about that.
Speaker B:Like him talking to my face, him talking about women is probably my new favorite.
Speaker A:He's he's dropping bombs.
Speaker A:Bombs.
Speaker B:Some of it is fact.
Speaker B:Some of it is like, I.
Speaker A:Let's see.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:No, he's.
Speaker A:He's got a.
Speaker A:He's got a very good channel.
Speaker A:He's got a very good platform.
Speaker A:I would just.
Speaker A:That passion with which he speaks about is what is attracting.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Because now you.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:We have to know, what did they do to make you that.
Speaker B:To make you that mad?
Speaker A:Some lady was asking for.
Speaker A:He's like.
Speaker B:It'S not working.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:That's a topic for another day.
Speaker A:But now I want us to talk about the most painful losses in sports history and what you learned about it and what we could have done differently to change those outcomes.
Speaker A:Guys.
Speaker A:Sports will kill you, Joe.
Speaker A:Your sports will kill yours.
Speaker B:You're a real, real dead.
Speaker A:Your sports will kill yours.
Speaker B:You will die a real dead football.
Speaker A:Your.
Speaker A:It will kill.
Speaker A:I will kill you.
Speaker A:Sports.
Speaker A:Like, I think sports is the only thing that has made me cry other than, like, a proper death in the family.
Speaker A:Like, cry like real Manchester.
Speaker A:Like, man.
Speaker A:In fact, sometimes even worse.
Speaker B:If I were to look over the past year.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You've cried.
Speaker B:Ye.
Speaker B:90% of my.
Speaker B:90% of my bad days, right?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Shout out.
Speaker B:Lamar Jackson could have gone the MVP.
Speaker A:Never was.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:90% of my bad days last year.
Speaker B:Sports.
Speaker B:Sports.
Speaker B:If I had a bad day, some way, somehow it had to do with.
Speaker A:Sports, not tax increases.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Those ones are like, I.
Speaker B:I can't choose that.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker A:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:Outside of that, you had a bad day because of sports.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, the thing is, those are evils or those are burdens that you have no choice but to bear.
Speaker A:You said evils.
Speaker A:Same thing.
Speaker B:Those are necessary evils.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You get what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Taxes have to pay your tax.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, you have to deal with whatever BS Comes from work, whatever career that you're in, whatever job you do, you have to deal the BS that comes with it.
Speaker B:Sports.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:You choose it now.
Speaker A:You do.
Speaker B:You choose it.
Speaker A:Oh, you chose it.
Speaker B:You choose to let these 11 men chase to determine your mental health, watching them chase a bouncy.
Speaker B:A bouncy egg.
Speaker A:A bouncy egg.
Speaker B:I choose to let five men, 12 on a.
Speaker B:On a good night, determine my happiness.
Speaker A:Determine your happiness.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Was that the Milwaukee Bucks, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:They're not determining anybody's happiness right now.
Speaker B:Yeah, they try.
Speaker A:No, they're trying.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Yeah, they just lost to OKC in a game I thought they should have.
Speaker A:Well, the shade kills.
Speaker A:Alexander's doing his Thing.
Speaker A:So that's the, the MVP's doing his thing.
Speaker B:They didn't have SG that game and.
Speaker A:They lost without him there.
Speaker B:That's my chat.
Speaker B:That's my chat.
Speaker B:That's my chat.
Speaker B:But what I'm saying is sports, even in ufc, when my, when one of my favorite fighters lose, Doug, I chose that fighter.
Speaker B:I chose to go to ride behind that fighter.
Speaker A:And, and, and, and so like you set yourself up to set yourself up for heartbreak.
Speaker B:Pretty much.
Speaker A:So men are not smart, are we?
Speaker A:We're not smart.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:To get this long, took it this long to realize.
Speaker B:No, men are stupid because we realize we know men will disappoint you because we are men ourselves.
Speaker B:And yet here we are.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Placing our happiness and faith in men all the time.
Speaker A: naldo right now, right now in: Speaker A:He's one of the greats ever.
Speaker A:But now we need to have an honest conversation about where I thought he was retired.
Speaker A:No, he's not retired.
Speaker A:He's still chowing Saudi money.
Speaker A:He's still YouTubing.
Speaker A:No, he's not stat padding.
Speaker A:He's scoring goals in a 34 ranked lead league.
Speaker B:I'm just still youtubing.
Speaker A:I haven't, I haven't watched.
Speaker B:But the Saudis, man, I don't like what the Saudis did.
Speaker B:They just took everyone.
Speaker B:They paid everyone and they took them.
Speaker A:Wouldn't you do the same?
Speaker B:Fair.
Speaker B:I'll do the same, man.
Speaker B:Big buddy Ben's got like a 600 million dollar deal.
Speaker A:If you were with 400 billion dollars, that's a lot.
Speaker A:If you had 40 billion do dollars and cost you what?
Speaker A:Didn't they sell a sports team for like $5 billion now?
Speaker B:Or one of the Celtics.
Speaker B:Yeah, like 6.1.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:If you could buy the Boston Celtics just to demolish it.
Speaker A:You do it.
Speaker A:Because I know how much you hate the Boston.
Speaker B:I was about to say, what an apt franchise.
Speaker B:What an epic example.
Speaker A:Buy them.
Speaker B:I would definitely buy the Celtics just to watch them implode.
Speaker B:Like I would buy them.
Speaker B:Trade Jason Tatum to the Washington Wizards.
Speaker A:You are a hater.
Speaker B:I'll Jalen Brown to like, what's a bad team in the West?
Speaker B:The west is crazy.
Speaker A:Hey, the west is crazy.
Speaker A:Send them to the Nuggets right now because they're not a great team.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:The Nuggets are still.
Speaker B:We still have expectations.
Speaker A:They not have a great.
Speaker B:But we still have expectations of them in the West.
Speaker A:Golden State warriors are winning the Chip.
Speaker B:Golden State warriors are doing good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ish.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:I can't think of a bad team in the West.
Speaker A:The Lakers.
Speaker B:That's the second.
Speaker B:That's the third seed, bro.
Speaker A:Are they the third seed?
Speaker A:When did they become the third seed exactly?
Speaker A:Since Luca, bro, I.
Speaker A:Michael Jordan's legacy is in trouble now.
Speaker A:Now it's in trouble if LeBron gets this fifth ring or the.
Speaker B:Doug, remember was it not a month ago when I was recording and I was so surprised that they had like the fourth seed or something?
Speaker B:Yeah, they the third seed now, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, but.
Speaker A:And you know what the Lakers normally do?
Speaker A:They are probably going to like, be bounced in the first or second round.
Speaker B:The chat remains the Lakers are the third seed in the West.
Speaker B:Something none of us.
Speaker A:When has the seeding ever mattered?
Speaker B:Ah, don't do that.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker A:No, I'm just asking.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker A:I'm just asking.
Speaker B:Don't do that.
Speaker B:Seeding matters in terms of who you play in the playoffs at the end.
Speaker A:Of the day, in terms of who wins the chip.
Speaker A:When does it ever matter?
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:It matters in terms of who you play in the first round.
Speaker A:I get that.
Speaker A:But when does it ever matter when it comes down to winning the finals?
Speaker A:Boston Celtics will number one seed last season.
Speaker B:I don't know, like the top three seed.
Speaker A:Well, which seed were there?
Speaker A:One, two, or three?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Let me check.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:In the west, who Luca?
Speaker A:Was he one, two, or three seed?
Speaker B:Yo, I think the Mavs are like six seed.
Speaker A:See, there's hope.
Speaker A:Stop LeBron, please.
Speaker A:Because Brady wins the ring in his first season, we're never gonna hear the end.
Speaker B:I ain't going to lie.
Speaker B:If LeBron wins a ring, I.
Speaker A:We're never going to hear the end of this, bro.
Speaker B:Besides that, we might have to watch.
Speaker B:We might have to re.
Speaker B:Revisit that goat.
Speaker A:No, there's no revisiting the goat desert discussion.
Speaker A:I think it's too far gone now.
Speaker B:With one more ring n.
Speaker B:It's too far gone.
Speaker B:At this stage in his career, it's.
Speaker A:Too far gone because he.
Speaker A:Again, remember what we always talk about.
Speaker A:You need to be the bus driver.
Speaker A:He's not going to be the bus driver on that team with Luca there.
Speaker B:Touche.
Speaker A:Even though the media is going to say LeBron James.
Speaker A:No, we all know that Luca is the bus driver on that team.
Speaker A: Even in: Speaker B:Where's the Finals MVP?
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:Where's his Finals MVP?
Speaker A:That was born in the media.
Speaker B:Where's his Finals MVP?
Speaker A:Okay, Steph Curry should have had that Final MVP.
Speaker A:I got $got it because of media.
Speaker A:If he should have, he would have.
Speaker A:Doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Anyway, I'm gonna start with my most painful sports loss in history.
Speaker A:And goes to football.
Speaker A: osing to Manchester United in: Speaker A:A winner and hit the post.
Speaker A:I was so that John Terry had to score and he missed.
Speaker A:He slipped and he was like, oh, I had a death in the family.
Speaker A:Hey, hey.
Speaker A:I'm a suffer because of you.
Speaker A:Ah, that was painful.
Speaker A:That was painful because we legit could have won.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:Legit could have won.
Speaker B:I didn't even see this upset when Chelsea lost to whatever team a few months, a few weeks ago.
Speaker A:We lost?
Speaker A:Which team?
Speaker A:We lost.
Speaker A:Oh, we lost Arsenal 1 nil.
Speaker B:No, no, no, not Arsenal.
Speaker B:There's a team that came back, y'all were leading and been late in the game.
Speaker A:Was that Ipswich Town?
Speaker B:Yeah, there.
Speaker A: Why are you bringing back: Speaker B:I was back in December.
Speaker A:Yeah, I was back in December.
Speaker B:That's how long you've been in the pits.
Speaker A:We were still number five four on the log, right?
Speaker B:Number five on the log.
Speaker A:Yeah, number five on the log.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:We're not 50 like Manchester United.
Speaker B:How you feel about that?
Speaker A:Listen, listen.
Speaker A:As long as we get number four, that's all I care about.
Speaker A:We have got a shot.
Speaker A:We got a shot at getting number four.
Speaker B:You've been saying number four for months, dog.
Speaker A:That's been my expectations at the beginning of the season.
Speaker A:That's all I care about right now.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Why would you care about just being number four?
Speaker B:This is not Formula One.
Speaker B:It's not Formula one.
Speaker A:No chance in winning the league.
Speaker A:None whatsoever.
Speaker A:Remember they were saying, hey, Chelsea, Celtic contents.
Speaker A:What did I say?
Speaker A:What would I say?
Speaker A:I know my team.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I know my team.
Speaker B:I got a homie Omar who's also like, I'm with nj.
Speaker B:I know my team.
Speaker A:That team, Chelsea, that team.
Speaker A: en the other paid for one was: Speaker A:Even though it was Messi's Barcelona, it was the dirtiest game in the history of Champions League.
Speaker B:Dirtier than Kings versus Lakers in 01.
Speaker B:That's bad.
Speaker A:We had six shots for handballs and penalties that were not called clear.
Speaker A:If you look back at the footage now, it was clear.
Speaker A:Yeah, like.
Speaker B:You started blast basketball.
Speaker A:Yeah, the subplay password.
Speaker A:We didn't get our.
Speaker A:Our calls and did you drop?
Speaker A:That's the.
Speaker A:The infamous Stami was saying it's a disgrace.
Speaker B:Oh, disgrace.
Speaker A:That's where it came from.
Speaker B:Oh, that's where it came out.
Speaker B:Did you drop?
Speaker A:2009.
Speaker A:And then in the last minute, last minute, last kick of the game, they scored.
Speaker A:Hey.
Speaker A:Anyway, that was.
Speaker A:That was heartbreaking.
Speaker B:Are you okay?
Speaker B:You're clearly still not okay.
Speaker B:You're clearly not okay from this.
Speaker B:Still.
Speaker A:Still.
Speaker B:This was like 14, 15, 16, 17 years ago.
Speaker A:This is me telling you how invested.
Speaker B:I am 17 years ago, and you're not okay?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Will you ever be?
Speaker B:Will you ever be okay?
Speaker A:Will you ever get over it?
Speaker A:I'm fine.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna die.
Speaker B:No, but will you ever get over it?
Speaker A:Will I ever get over it?
Speaker B:Yeah, probably.
Speaker A:Maybe one day.
Speaker A:One day my kids will have to know these teams did us dirty.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:We could have won.
Speaker A:We could have won.
Speaker A:We could have about what, four champions leagues instead of two?
Speaker A:There we go.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna even count the Liverpool.
Speaker A: The goal that nobody saw in: Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Chelsea fans.
Speaker B:Arsenal.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker B:Could have been Arsenal.
Speaker A:Arsenal.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:Winning?
Speaker B:Yeah, y'all could have nothing now.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:That's a bit too harsh.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker A:That's a bit too harsh.
Speaker A:I'm just saying that's a bit too harsh now.
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:You're complaining like we could have had four.
Speaker B:I know a team that's saying if.
Speaker A:Only they've only been to one final.
Speaker B:Shame they've only been to one.
Speaker B:When was that?
Speaker A: That was: Speaker A:They had like, with that year Henry, he wasn't part two past his prime, but that year Henry.
Speaker A:But then they went against Ronaldinho, so.
Speaker A:Prime Ronaldinho.
Speaker B:Ah, what you want us to do?
Speaker A:Ah, shame, shame.
Speaker B:What you want them to do?
Speaker B:Prime Ronaldinho.
Speaker B:What you want them to do?
Speaker A:Well, we beat prime Ronaldinho.
Speaker A:Ow.
Speaker A:Chelsea did that.
Speaker B:Shout out to shout out to y'all.
Speaker A:Yeah, but I'm talking like an oldtimer looking back at our glory days.
Speaker A:Chelsea must do the right thing.
Speaker B:But will they ever do the right thing?
Speaker B:Because it seems like ever since Roman Abramovich left, I.
Speaker B:Because they did that thing where they just spent a whole bunch of money and that's all I knew.
Speaker B:I don't even follow soccer, but I just knew that there was a season like two, three seasons ago which has.
Speaker A:To be a billion pounds.
Speaker A:No, the laundry money.
Speaker A:And the problem is we've got quality players.
Speaker A:We've got quality players that can compete for Whatever reason, we just fall apart for no reason.
Speaker A:Like, if, if I.
Speaker B:So what is it?
Speaker B:Isn't.
Speaker B:Is it a managerial thing?
Speaker A:No, I can't even be a man.
Speaker B:Is it an organizational thing where you have the, you have the on field talent?
Speaker A:I think it's an organizational.
Speaker A:The collective organization, its mindset.
Speaker A:Something.
Speaker A:Something is up there.
Speaker B:Because if you have the talent on the field.
Speaker A:Because think about it this way.
Speaker A:The talent we have now, arguably is better than the talent we had when we won the Champions League three years ago, Four years ago.
Speaker A:So that's my chat.
Speaker A:So what's going.
Speaker B:So where's the problem?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:Coaching.
Speaker A:I don't even think it's because.
Speaker A:Because remember we, we were like on a 7K winning streak at one point.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:Is it a front office thing?
Speaker A:It probably is a front office thing.
Speaker A:Probably it's a coaching.
Speaker A:I don't, I don't even know.
Speaker A:I need to bring Tundini back on the show and be like, yo, guy, we need to dissect.
Speaker B:Like, we need.
Speaker B:Like, there's clearly a problem.
Speaker B:Because if you have the resources to provide money.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:Definitely have the money.
Speaker A:You have the talent, and we've got the coaching staff.
Speaker A:If you don't have the coaching stuff, go get the coaching stuff with the money that you have.
Speaker A:I don't understand.
Speaker B:Last I checked, that's all you need for a successful sports franchise.
Speaker A:Like, I don't get it.
Speaker B:What more do you.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I think it's a cultural thing.
Speaker B:It's a cultural thing.
Speaker A:Culture thing.
Speaker B:That means if it's a cultural thing, that can also mean it's a coaching thing.
Speaker B:Probably coaches have the power to change the culture of a team.
Speaker A:Yeah, that is very true.
Speaker A:And I don't know why Chelsea keeps firing coaches just when we start cooking.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's an epid.
Speaker B:That's an epidemic in all sports.
Speaker A:Like when you start cooking the fire, you.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker B:Look what the Lakers did with Darvin Ham.
Speaker A:He had never coached a day in his life before the Lakers, right?
Speaker B:No, he was an.
Speaker B:He was an assistant coach, head coach position.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:He had never.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah, but when you started cooking.
Speaker B:The fighter dude, he took them to the conference finals.
Speaker A:Okay, that's good.
Speaker B:And they fired him.
Speaker A:Of course they fired him.
Speaker A:LeBron fired him.
Speaker A:I love LeBron James for that.
Speaker A:He is the franchise.
Speaker B:But like, with, even with Darvin Ham, there's a lot of coaches that they did that to.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Milwaukee Bucks Fired?
Speaker B:Who's this?
Speaker B:Just before they hired Doc Rivers.
Speaker B:I don't remember what his name was.
Speaker B:He was also an assistant coach that was called up.
Speaker B:Dude had a record of 32 and 12 by the all star break.
Speaker B:Then they fired him for Doc Rivers and the team was actually worse.
Speaker B:They starting to come up now.
Speaker B:They won the in season tournament, but the chat is.
Speaker B:It seems that's just a problem.
Speaker B:They cook.
Speaker B:You start cooking, they fire you.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:Teams are just not as patient.
Speaker A:Why would you fire someone when they start cooking?
Speaker B:That's just.
Speaker B:I probably just don't like them.
Speaker A:Yeah, okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I probably just don't like them.
Speaker B:Same thing with Jerry.
Speaker B:When Jerry Krause talked old Phil Jackson.
Speaker B:You can win.
Speaker B:You can go 82.
Speaker B:0.
Speaker B:You're not coming back next.
Speaker A:I think it's a problem of egos.
Speaker A:But anyway, because.
Speaker B:Yeah, because think about it, Doug.
Speaker B:Why would you.
Speaker B:If someone shows you.
Speaker B:We all know that sports is a.
Speaker B:Is a patience thing as well.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:You're building something.
Speaker B:You're building a franchise.
Speaker B:If you can tell that if this coach has shown you that he can take you there, you just need to give him the right resources.
Speaker B:Driving hemp.
Speaker B:Took them to the conference finals with LeBron James, AD Austin Reeves and God knows who else.
Speaker B:If you know, Dilo, was it.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:If he took them to the conference finals with those guys, what do you think he could do with a proper roster?
Speaker A:Go back to the conference finals and probably even win.
Speaker B:We all.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:We all know bare minimum now is conference finals.
Speaker B:Why would you fire a guy for doing that?
Speaker A:LeBron James didn't like him.
Speaker A:Now, Kundala, which is the.
Speaker A:The one of the.
Speaker B:That's not.
Speaker B:That's not my name.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:What's.
Speaker A:What's the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker A:The sports class that comes to your mind that ruined your life.
Speaker B: June: Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker A:Even though.
Speaker B: June: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Kevin Durant goes down.
Speaker B:Klay Thompson goes down.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:This is going.
Speaker B:Kawhi Leonard goes beast mode.
Speaker A:I know where this is going.
Speaker B:Raptors in six.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Sorry, man.
Speaker B:Man.
Speaker A:Ruined a three peat, bro.
Speaker B:It could have been a three Dog, dog.
Speaker B:When I think of sports losses, that one hurts me because it was just everything that could go wrong went wrong.
Speaker B:Like KD got hurt.
Speaker B:Cool.
Speaker B:He came down.
Speaker B:He came back.
Speaker B:And then he even gave us that viral video.
Speaker B:But cool.
Speaker B:KD came back.
Speaker B:KD was cooking, man.
Speaker B:Katie goes down again.
Speaker B:And this time the injury is worse.
Speaker B:He's out for.
Speaker B:He's down for the count.
Speaker B:Didn't play for the next two seasons after that.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Klay Thompson.
Speaker B:Klay Thompson comes back.
Speaker B:He's cool towards Achilles.
Speaker B:Toys Achilles.
Speaker B:And finished his free throw.
Speaker B:Well, Steph.
Speaker B:Steph was doing.
Speaker B:Was doing everything in his power to win the series, dropping 47.
Speaker B:Kawhi Leonard was just better.
Speaker A:And the when the same Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker B: Doesn'T come to work this: Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B: This: Speaker B:It's like the one season Kawhi was healthy, won a championship.
Speaker B:It's like the one season in beautiful's healthy.
Speaker B:He won the MVP.
Speaker B:Same thing.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Didn't win the MVP.
Speaker A:They gave it to him.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B: But like Kawhi: Speaker B:That will always break my heart because as a Warriors fan, and I was a Warriors fan, you've.
Speaker B:I've told you the story of how I became a Warriors fan.
Speaker B:I was like, let's go the three Pete is here and we all know, bro.
Speaker B:Everybody and their mama knows, bro.
Speaker B:If KD and Clay don't go down, if KD alone doesn't go down.
Speaker B:The warriors were three peating.
Speaker B:There was no way the Raptors were beating them.
Speaker B:But two integral pieces of Golden State's offense went down.
Speaker B:And Kawhi Leonard was the best player on the planet for that entire playoff run.
Speaker A:So he decided to pick that entire playoff run to go into the claw to turn into the clause.
Speaker B:Ah, he did.
Speaker B:He shut down Giannis.
Speaker B:He made and beat cry bro.
Speaker B:The what?
Speaker B:That's that playoff his ring is.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:Is Kawhi the greatest to interrupter ever now?
Speaker B:N.
Speaker B:That's still Vince Carter.
Speaker A:Why is it Vince Carter?
Speaker A:How many chips does Vince Carter have?
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Kawhi Leonard is.
Speaker B:But that's not fair.
Speaker B:That's not fair.
Speaker B:Is Bill.
Speaker B:Is Bill Walton the greatest Portland trailblazer?
Speaker A:Who's Bill Walton now?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:However.
Speaker B:However you would say Damian Lillard.
Speaker A:Oh, does Bill Walton have a ring?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Bill Watson.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:There's no way.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B:There's no way.
Speaker B:There's no way.
Speaker A:Like if, if, if, if Kevin Durant went and won a ring with the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker A:He's the greatest Phoenix sun ever over Charles Barkley.
Speaker A:What do rings not matter anymore?
Speaker B:Does contribution to the franchise as a whole.
Speaker B:When you talk about you as a.
Speaker A:Ring, you come a championship.
Speaker A:That's what you come to do.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Trophies on the way, bro.
Speaker B:That's true.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But here's.
Speaker B:Here's my chat.
Speaker B:One great season, which is cool.
Speaker B:Cool, cool.
Speaker B:One great season can be a legacy.
Speaker B:We all know that.
Speaker B:D.
Speaker B:Rose is a great example of that.
Speaker B:One great season can define your legacy.
Speaker A: But what about: Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That ring.
Speaker A:Is that very heavy?
Speaker B:That ring is heavy.
Speaker A:2011 maps.
Speaker B:That ring is heavy.
Speaker B:That ring is heavy.
Speaker A:Dirk Nowitzki is the greatest mav ever.
Speaker B:Oh, without a doubt.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But that's coupled with 20 years of service.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:If he didn't win a race, came in one area.
Speaker B:But what I'm saying is, at some point, when don't we also look at period of service?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the service you've given people.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because Vince Carter.
Speaker B:The Raptors wouldn't have been a reputable franchise without Vince Carter.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:I might even say that list is Vince Carter, Kyle Lowry, then Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Okay, I.
Speaker A:I need to come with my pen and notebook.
Speaker A:Vince Carter.
Speaker B:Kyle Lowry, then Kawhi.
Speaker B:If you're talking greatest Raptors of all time.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Vince Carter.
Speaker A:How many rings did he win for them?
Speaker B:0.
Speaker A:Kyle Lowry, 1.
Speaker A:Kyle Lowry won a ring for them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He won it with Kawhi.
Speaker A:He won it with Kawhi.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Kawhi landed one ring.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the finals MVP.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:That's okay.
Speaker B:Kylari spent 10 years with the Raptors.
Speaker A:This argument is.
Speaker A:Is not making.
Speaker A:It's not making sense to me here.
Speaker B:It's not making sense to you how.
Speaker B:Doug, here's what.
Speaker B:Here's what I' here's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:One person could come.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Here's my chat.
Speaker B:Here's that chat.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You and I have been friends for a long time.
Speaker B:Let's say we've.
Speaker B:We just.
Speaker B:We've been friends for, let's say, 10 years.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And our friendship has been great for 10 years.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:And I've done great things for you.
Speaker B:I've just never gotten you that one thing you wish you could have had.
Speaker A:House and Saxon.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And it's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I just know I could just never get you my house.
Speaker B:That house in Saxon world.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Because of things beyond my control.
Speaker B:I've gotten you close.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I haven't got you an apartment in Halton.
Speaker A:Okay, sure.
Speaker A:Let's start with that.
Speaker B:You got you an apartment in Houston.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Or like a house in Norwood.
Speaker B:So you know the next best thing.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And then here comes this dude, and you just met him last Year.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And just because he has more money, he buys you that house in Saxon world.
Speaker B:Does that cancel out all those years of service I gave?
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:All those years of friendship?
Speaker A:Answer your own question.
Speaker B:Does that answer me?
Speaker A:How heavy is that house in Saxon world if that's all I've been talking about for 10 years?
Speaker B:Answer me.
Speaker B:So now all of a sudden that dude that brought you that house in Saxon world is more important than me, who's been with you for 10 years through your highs and lows.
Speaker B:And I took you.
Speaker B:You, man.
Speaker B:I got you an apartment in Hobson, dog.
Speaker B:Like, come on.
Speaker A:We compete to win a championship.
Speaker B:So what you say?
Speaker B:So what you're saying is you would you.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:That's your chat.
Speaker B:That is you would use still.
Speaker B:Ah, you're breaking my heart right now.
Speaker A:I'm kidding.
Speaker B:Breaking my heart, right?
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So now that's my chat with this Vince Carter, what Vince Carter did for the Raptors franchise.
Speaker A:Because, like, again, some things are just timing, chance, all of that.
Speaker A:Like you said, if KD didn't go down, Kate Thompson doesn't go down.
Speaker A:Vince Carter is still the greatest.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:That didn't happen.
Speaker A:Kawhi won because he got lucky and.
Speaker A:And capitalized on the line.
Speaker B:It just so happened on the last year of his contract, they traded him to the Raptors, a team that just, Just needed him.
Speaker B:And it was a plug and play situation.
Speaker B:That's the greatest one and done season in NBA history.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Okay, I.
Speaker A:I get your chad.
Speaker A:Vince Carter is the greatest Raptor of all time.
Speaker A:I was just.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Worst loss, man.
Speaker B: Did you cry that: Speaker A:Did you cry?
Speaker B:I wasn't.
Speaker B:Okay, I definitely cry.
Speaker B:I didn't cry.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:But I.
Speaker B:I've never cried over a sports loss, but I definitely kind of a sports.
Speaker B:I definitely didn't like sports loss.
Speaker B:I definitely.
Speaker B:It was dog.
Speaker B:It ruined my day.
Speaker B:It ruined my week, bruh.
Speaker B:Like, I definitely didn't.
Speaker B:Didn't look at Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker B:I didn't like Kawhi Leonard for a while.
Speaker A:That's not his fault.
Speaker A:It's not his fault that he.
Speaker A:If you were Kawhi Leonard, you would have done what you did, what he did.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because I'll always say you're in my way.
Speaker A:Like, like, this is what.
Speaker A:This is what I'm saying.
Speaker B:But what I'm saying is, as a sports fan, that was my franchise.
Speaker B:He had to get out the way.
Speaker A:Sorry, man.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not to mention he did that to Giannis and the Bucks.
Speaker B:So he beat Yanis and the Bucks in the second round.
Speaker B:Both of your teams, both my east and Western team, he demolished Doug, but.
Speaker A:I'm sure you respect him for that.
Speaker B:I respect the man that he is.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B: That: Speaker B:On the planet.
Speaker B:Even better than MVP Giannis, is it?
Speaker B:Without a doubt.
Speaker B:Without a doubt.
Speaker B:However, I.
Speaker A:It doesn't show up to work now.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker A:If I was cool, I wouldn't shop to work.
Speaker A:I'm like, look at what I did, bro.
Speaker B:Like, no, I think he's.
Speaker B:I think he's milking it, bro.
Speaker A:I think he's got two Finals MVPs and two championships, and I have beaten arguably some of the greatest players to have ever played.
Speaker A:He's been Steph.
Speaker B:He's been kidd.
Speaker A:He's been LeBron, while everyone's been LeBron.
Speaker B:But that's mean.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Am I lying?
Speaker B:That's mean.
Speaker A:No, but I'm alive.
Speaker B:That's mean.
Speaker A:I'm alive.
Speaker B:Died fair.
Speaker B:Am I like, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna give.
Speaker B:Everyone in the west has beaten LeBron and the East.
Speaker B:Ah, the East.
Speaker B:You went to the finals 10 years.
Speaker B:For 10 years, bro.
Speaker A:Straight years.
Speaker A:Nine straight.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So, like, if you go to the finals nine straight years, did anyone beat you in your conference?
Speaker A:Suddenly you got to the finals every single year in the East.
Speaker B:But somebody beat him.
Speaker B:But what I'm saying is he.
Speaker B:Somebody beat him.
Speaker B:But not everybody.
Speaker A:This is my.
Speaker B:Not every.
Speaker B:You said.
Speaker B:No, you said everyone.
Speaker A:Not everyone's just been in LeBron.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Everybody who's great has been in LeBron.
Speaker B:That's me.
Speaker A:Like, really?
Speaker A:Like, really, like.
Speaker A:Everyone who's great has been abroad.
Speaker A:That's this.
Speaker A:A lot of people have eaten on LeBron's watch.
Speaker A:If people.
Speaker A:People have been having feasts on LeBron's watch, who did he stop from winning a ring?
Speaker A:He didn't stop.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:It didn't stop.
Speaker A:Kay Thompson, Jason Tatum, and JJ Berea have rings because of LeBron James.
Speaker A:Think about that.
Speaker A:Think about that.
Speaker A:Think about that.
Speaker B:Jason Terry.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, Jason Terry.
Speaker A:Yeah, Jason Terry.
Speaker A:We were talking about Tatum earlier on, and then JCR still treat him to the Wizards.
Speaker A:You're a hater.
Speaker B:You're nothing for second round picks, boy.
Speaker A:All right, so I'll give you another sports loss.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That didn't make any sense to me.
Speaker A:Me.
Speaker A:I'll go.
Speaker A: I'll go to tennis: Speaker A:You hear me talk about this again?
Speaker A:2012.
Speaker A:Novak Djokovic is going against Rafael Nadal, Australian Open final.
Speaker B:He says this.
Speaker A:Five cried.
Speaker A:Five.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I cried.
Speaker B:Yeah, he cried.
Speaker A:I cried.
Speaker A:I cried.
Speaker A:I cried because Nadal legit could have won that match.
Speaker A:He could have.
Speaker B:If he could.
Speaker B:If he should have, he would have.
Speaker A:He didn't.
Speaker A:He wasn't supposed to win the match.
Speaker A:He could have won that match.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Why didn't he?
Speaker A:Because he fluffed a shot in the fifth set.
Speaker A:Like, I'm like, Nadal.
Speaker A:I mean, like, really?
Speaker A:Like, really.
Speaker B:So he wasn't clutch.
Speaker A:He wasn't clutch when he needed to be clutched.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You can't be up.
Speaker B:You can't be froze.
Speaker A:You can't be up a break.
Speaker A:Which means had you.
Speaker A:Had he hit a certain shot, he would have just had one game to go and win.
Speaker B:And then he fluffed it, Johnny.
Speaker A:He fluffed it.
Speaker A:Like, just, you know, he hit a bat.
Speaker A:I'll show you the back here.
Speaker A:A backhand miss.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:So, like, George, right?
Speaker B:Or.
Speaker A:What irritates me is that he won the first set and then Djokovic was on fire.
Speaker A:Second set, third set.
Speaker A:We thought he was out.
Speaker A:I thought then the fourth set, he fought back.
Speaker A:You fought back that hard just to go.
Speaker B:And you got.
Speaker B:You came this far just to come this far.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's what he did.
Speaker A:Ah, that's what he did.
Speaker A:I was like, all right.
Speaker A:And also, you have to.
Speaker A:You have to remember, Djokovic was.
Speaker A:I had.
Speaker A:But literally owned in a doubt, that point.
Speaker A:Point.
Speaker A:He was his father at that point.
Speaker A:Seven straight finals.
Speaker A:Ah, he beat him.
Speaker A:Seven straight finals.
Speaker B:Seven straight.
Speaker A:Seven straight finals.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So this Masters.
Speaker B:So this Djokovic Nadal rivalry that y'all speak of, was it even a rivalry?
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was.
Speaker A: at when Jovic hit his peak in: Speaker A:Now, seven straight finals.
Speaker A:And then Nadal started beating him.
Speaker B:But, dog, if I beat you seven years in a row.
Speaker A:No, no, it's not seven years.
Speaker B:Oh, seven straight finals.
Speaker B:So when did that happen?
Speaker B:Over a year.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Ah, but I'm owning you still, Doug.
Speaker B:I'm owning you still.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:In.
Speaker B:In a competition where we have this.
Speaker B:This many competitions and I've won a majority of them, I'm owning you.
Speaker A:Seven straight finals.
Speaker A:Seven straight.
Speaker B:Seven straight.
Speaker A:Seven straight finals.
Speaker B:So it's like, okay, I beat you in Feb.
Speaker B:I beat you in May.
Speaker B:I beat you in August.
Speaker B:Like, ah, come on.
Speaker A:So this is.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:This is why?
Speaker A:It was so painful.
Speaker A:I'm like, we were almost there.
Speaker A:We were almost there.
Speaker A:We almost, like, got to beat him.
Speaker A:And then you went and you fluffed it.
Speaker B:Shame on him.
Speaker A:But it was karma, you know?
Speaker A:I say it's karma.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:Cuz whatell Adele did to Federer.
Speaker A:Ah, that was beautiful.
Speaker A:Ah, I love those days.
Speaker B:Look at you.
Speaker B:Like, this hate that you have for Federer.
Speaker B:Like, I don't hate Fed, like.
Speaker B:But he's clearly not your favorite.
Speaker A:He never has been.
Speaker A:Not even close.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:I'd rather have Andy Mary beat him.
Speaker A:What did he do?
Speaker A:What did he do to you?
Speaker A:Not Federer.
Speaker A:It's the Federer fans.
Speaker B:What did they do to you?
Speaker A:They were.
Speaker A:They're here.
Speaker A:They were talking a lot.
Speaker B:But don't they think it's justified?
Speaker B:It's not like Dallas Cowboys fans.
Speaker A:Think about it.
Speaker A:Why do you not like the Boston Celtics?
Speaker B:Because they think they are the creme de la creme and they're the greatest thing to ever walk.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:Even though they weren't winning, that was still Federal fans.
Speaker A:Nadal was beating, like, nicely.
Speaker A:Making him cry, even.
Speaker A:Say what you want to say about it.
Speaker A:Down.
Speaker A:The diva Nadan didn't cry in the presentation of the trophies if he lost you Federa or if he lost to you.
Speaker B:So it was.
Speaker B:So did Federal go to a slump where he was like, losing everything?
Speaker A:No, he was just losing to Nadal.
Speaker A:He was beating everyone else, but just losing.
Speaker B:But he was still winning.
Speaker B:Is my Chad.
Speaker A:But he was losing to Nadal.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:I get on a.
Speaker B:On a personal scale, like, sure, you have to beat that guy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But at the end of the day, you're still winning, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, he was still like.
Speaker A:He was still winning.
Speaker A:He was bad.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:The Boston Celtics was just bad.
Speaker B: Hadn't won anything since: Speaker B: en't been to the finals since: Speaker B:And yet the fans were like, yeah, Boston.
Speaker B:Boston.
Speaker B:No, Dog, do some Americans.
Speaker B:Dog, do something.
Speaker A:Is this the American fans or the South African Boston Celtics fans?
Speaker B:Well, we don't really.
Speaker B:I don't really interact with much with many here, but Americans.
Speaker A:Oh, the.
Speaker A:The Americans, man.
Speaker B:But still.
Speaker A:They're Americans, though.
Speaker B:But still.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker B:That just like, they do the same thing.
Speaker B:They do the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker A:Cowboy.
Speaker A:When was the last time the Cowboys won anything?
Speaker A:I'm asking for a friend.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You hadn't even turned 10 yet.
Speaker A:I wasn't even 10.
Speaker B:Nope.
Speaker A:When did he win?
Speaker B:You were like five years old.
Speaker B:How.
Speaker A:When did they win?
Speaker A:97.
Speaker A:96.
Speaker B:Like, somewhere there, dog.
Speaker A:96.
Speaker B:The Cowboys haven't won a Super bowl since the late 90s.
Speaker B:96.
Speaker A:Do you know that?
Speaker B:Cowboys.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:96.
Speaker B:96.
Speaker B:96.
Speaker A:Was playing.
Speaker A:Was still playing.
Speaker B:Wait.
Speaker B:Nope, nope.
Speaker B:I'm lying.
Speaker A:Oh, you're capping.
Speaker B:96 was Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker B:Oh, 96 was Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:The division rappers of a team that we was great.
Speaker B:When Ray Lewis haven't won since.
Speaker B:95.
Speaker A:95.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:We won our first World Cup.
Speaker B:My brother was born in 95.
Speaker A:We won the.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The World cup in.
Speaker A:In rugby.
Speaker A:Then we went and won afcon.
Speaker B:Then we went and hosted a World Cup.
Speaker A:Hosted a World Cup.
Speaker B:Yeah, everyone.
Speaker A:So why is c.
Speaker A:Still talking, Joe?
Speaker B:Like, exactly.
Speaker B:Do you know the last time they went to the Super Bowl?
Speaker A:When?
Speaker B:1995.
Speaker A:So why are they talking?
Speaker B:Do you know the last time they were in the conference finals when.
Speaker B:1995.
Speaker A:So what have they been doing?
Speaker A:This being bounced.
Speaker B:Nothing but getting bounced in the first.
Speaker A:Okay, I'm sorry to my Federal fans out there.
Speaker A:Yet I write to talk because at least Federal was at least winning.
Speaker A:At least he ended up with 20 grand slams.
Speaker B:That's my dad they were talking about.
Speaker B:He was winning.
Speaker B:He was doing something.
Speaker B:Like what you've done lately.
Speaker B:Oh, I won the.
Speaker B:Whatever open you lost to Nadal.
Speaker B:Yeah, but, like, I won.
Speaker B:You asked me what I did lately.
Speaker A:I won something.
Speaker B:Oh, these guys.
Speaker A:All right, I.
Speaker A:I take that back to all my Federal fans out there.
Speaker A:I love Roger Federer, but the fans just made me like guys, because that's my chat.
Speaker B:Like, why would you hate Roger Federer?
Speaker B:Every time I see him, he just seems like such a.
Speaker A:No, Roger Federer.
Speaker A:Classiest and the most elegant tennis player.
Speaker A:Need I say the most respected tennis player.
Speaker B:Yeah, he just gives me that vibe.
Speaker B:He has time of vibes.
Speaker A:He's got.
Speaker A:He's got all.
Speaker A:He's got class, bro.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I look at him and I see a Rolex.
Speaker A:I just look at.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:I see him as.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:If he was an animal, he'd be a swan, bro.
Speaker A:Like, that's how he plays tennis.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's just.
Speaker B:He just gives up that class personified.
Speaker B:Yeah, Doug, when you see.
Speaker B:When you see Roger Federer, you'll see a distinguished gentleman.
Speaker A:Distinguished gentleman.
Speaker A:Like, even when he walks out on the court, I'm like, I get why people were gazing him so much.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:I get it.
Speaker A:But the way that they turn the.
Speaker B:Fans who talk to the word glazing, my boy.
Speaker B:Who talk to the word glazing.
Speaker B:My boy.
Speaker A:Gen Z's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You'll be talking to too many Gen Z's, clearly.
Speaker A:Too much.
Speaker B:Too many, too many.
Speaker A:And then the other tennis match, that.
Speaker A:This is me.
Speaker A:What I was supporting Djokovic now, because you say he could.
Speaker A:Djokovic could have saved us from a lot of English media.
Speaker A:He could have saved us from books being written, journalism being done.
Speaker A: from Andy Murray winning the: Speaker A:And he lost to Andy Murray in straight sets.
Speaker A:It wasn't even competitive.
Speaker A:Oh, it wasn't even competitive, Andy.
Speaker A:Clean sweep, gentlemen.
Speaker A:Not even that.
Speaker A:I was like, I was joking.
Speaker A:The one time I support you.
Speaker A:The one time I support you, you go and you do that.
Speaker A:You go and you do that.
Speaker A: But anyway, the: Speaker A:I was like.
Speaker A:We were so pissed.
Speaker A:Close, but so close.
Speaker B:Shout out.
Speaker B:Are you.
Speaker B:Are you.
Speaker B:At least that one is not as bad as.
Speaker B:You seem to be handling Nadal's one better than Novak's one.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:Nadal lost to Andy Murray.
Speaker B:You seem to be handling it better than Novak's loss to Nadal.
Speaker A:Novak.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:No, you mean Novak's lost to Andy Murray.
Speaker A:You mean.
Speaker B:Oh, yes, yes, sorry.
Speaker A:To Andy Murray.
Speaker A:Lose to every.
Speaker B:Lose to everyone else.
Speaker A:Nadal's one was competitive.
Speaker B:Lose to everyone else.
Speaker A:You're almost there.
Speaker A:Fine.
Speaker A:There.
Speaker A:We can say you like you did something you did something you did.
Speaker A:Like, imagine if you.
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:Like, when was the last time the Ravens went back to the Super Bowl?
Speaker A:2013, when Ray Lewis retired.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Lamar Jackson gets you there, and you fight to get to that point.
Speaker A:Like, it's like the.
Speaker A:Every match you win comes down to.
Speaker B:A possession the exact opposite of what Lamar's do.
Speaker B:What Lamar's been doing.
Speaker A:You are so salty.
Speaker A:You are so upset.
Speaker B:No, because.
Speaker A:Don't.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:I think I get what you say you did.
Speaker B:At the end of the day, even if you lost, we must be able to say you did everything in your power.
Speaker B:You did everything you could keep losing to Pat Mahomes.
Speaker B:Josh Allen.
Speaker A:Josh Allen.
Speaker A:Every life.
Speaker B:Every time he loses to Mahomes, we like, he played the game of his.
Speaker A:Life, but then I think he just.
Speaker B:Lost to the better players.
Speaker A:So think about it.
Speaker A:Like, you go 60, not even 16, and you go 160 in the regular season, and then you sweep the playoffs, and you.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And you fight.
Speaker A:Every single.
Speaker A:Every single match comes down to the last possession of the game, right?
Speaker A:And then you go against hypothetically I know it won't happen hypothetical against the Steelers in like the super bowl fans.
Speaker A:If that was even a possibility.
Speaker A:And this is your division rivals and then you lose.
Speaker A:But it came down to the last position of the game.
Speaker A:You'd be heartbroken.
Speaker B:Maybe like, all right, we fought.
Speaker A:You'd be heartbroken.
Speaker A:But you fought.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Now reverse that.
Speaker A:You literally fought to get there.
Speaker A:And then in the final you get whatever happened in the past super bowl.
Speaker A:You get.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:You get blown out like that.
Speaker B:I was about to say that.
Speaker B:That's what's it.
Speaker B:It reminds me of the.
Speaker B:Of the chief's recent season.
Speaker B:Same chat.
Speaker A: You'd be upset I took office: Speaker B:Clearly not okay.
Speaker B:You're clearly not okay from this.
Speaker A:And he was hot, bro.
Speaker A:Like he.
Speaker A:Like that season.
Speaker A:He was.
Speaker A:He was blazing.
Speaker A:He was on fire.
Speaker B:It happens.
Speaker A:He almost.
Speaker A:He almost beat Nadal in the Roland.
Speaker A:At Roland Garros.
Speaker A:We almost beat him.
Speaker A:You know when the one.
Speaker A:The tournament.
Speaker A:Nadal's won 14 times.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's won it 14 times.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He almost beat Nadal in that semi final which was one of the greatest matches that I've ever watched.
Speaker A:He right after that tournament, he goes and he loses to Andy Mar State sets in the Wimbledon final.
Speaker A:And then I kid you not much after that there were books and exclusive books.
Speaker A:Andy hero doing this.
Speaker B:Of course he's going to milk it.
Speaker A:The British media, you know, the British media would not even saying the world number four.
Speaker A:They'll say Britain's number one.
Speaker A:They'll never say the world number four.
Speaker B:Like this is why it's never coming the same way we said South Africa's number one about it.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:The same way when you talk about it, we'd say South Africa's number one.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:That's that and Bafana.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Hey, hey.
Speaker B:This is about this about not.
Speaker A:This is how you know your team's not.
Speaker A:Your.
Speaker A:Your nation's not doing well anyway that I.
Speaker A:I think I need to go to therapy and unpack that loss.
Speaker A:Novak Super Bowl.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's the loss that I want to talk about.
Speaker B:That's the loss.
Speaker A:Let's get into it.
Speaker A:Let's get into it.
Speaker A:2017.
Speaker B:Well, New England Patriots versus the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker A:Is this the one that they fluffed, bro?
Speaker A:After.
Speaker A:How do you fluff this?
Speaker B:After the Falcons were up 24 to 3.
Speaker B:My boy.
Speaker A:How do you fluff this?
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And they went in one.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker A:This is what made Brady the undisputed goat now like 24.
Speaker B:3.
Speaker A:Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker A:So before we get into this, I.
Speaker A:I want to understand.
Speaker A:Remember you were telling me when I told you that about Nadal winning the Australian Open final?
Speaker A:20, 22 from two sets down, two and a half sets down to come back and win against a person.
Speaker A:I was 10 years younger than him.
Speaker A:And you said, was it a champions mentality or was it a meltdown?
Speaker A:Now explain to me what.
Speaker A:What was this?
Speaker A:Are you here for a job or a home?
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:What, what's this?
Speaker B:It's both, Doug.
Speaker A:What's this?
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What, what is this?
Speaker B:It's both.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is absolutely.
Speaker A:This is the most atrocious meltdown I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker A:It was an atrocity.
Speaker A:Tell me about it.
Speaker A:Tell me about 28.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:I said 24 to 3.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:28.
Speaker B:28.
Speaker A:All right, explain to me what happened.
Speaker B:What happened, bro?
Speaker A:So give us the context and the color for.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:So going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker A:The fourth quarter.
Speaker B:Going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker A:Look, look, look, look, look.
Speaker B:How many fourth quarter points did the.
Speaker B:To the Patriots score?
Speaker A:19.
Speaker B:So going into the fourth quarter.
Speaker A:Put that on.
Speaker A:Put that on.
Speaker A:Put that on, my boy.
Speaker A:They scored nothing in the first quarter.
Speaker B:So the.
Speaker B:So, so.
Speaker B:Bro, bro, bro.
Speaker A:At the half, they only had three.
Speaker B:Bro.
Speaker A:So the third quarter was at least competitive, right?
Speaker A:But the fourth quarter, you what.
Speaker A:What is this, Joel?
Speaker B:Going into halftime, the Falcons were up 28 to 3.
Speaker B:28 to 3.
Speaker B:What is the final score of the game?
Speaker A:34.
Speaker B:28.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker B:That means after the.
Speaker B:After the third quarter, they did nothing.
Speaker B:They did nothing but watch the.
Speaker B:The New England Patriots score 19 points in the fourth quarter.
Speaker B:Do you realize on any given play you can get a maximum of 8 points?
Speaker A:So you got.
Speaker A:They got nothing out of.
Speaker A:How many plays in the match?
Speaker A:Doesn't just say.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That depends on the team.
Speaker A:None, clearly.
Speaker A:Atlanta.
Speaker A:There's Atlanta Hawks, right?
Speaker A:Is Atlanta Hawks.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Falcons, Atlanta atl.
Speaker A:And this is.
Speaker A:This is the.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:This is The.
Speaker A:The blackest ATL.
Speaker A:The 80s.
Speaker A:The blackest place in America, apparently.
Speaker B:Yeah, apparently.
Speaker B:Apparently.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:So this is the blackest result.
Speaker A:You can go.
Speaker B:They had a white quarterback.
Speaker B:Mind you, that.
Speaker B:This is why Matt Ryan.
Speaker A:This is why.
Speaker A:Ah, Matt.
Speaker A:So explain to me, okay, I'm going to be on this side.
Speaker A:This was a meltdown.
Speaker B:But, but, but Matt Ryan, greatest Falcon of all time.
Speaker A:After this.
Speaker B:After this, I'm telling you.
Speaker A:After this, I'm telling you.
Speaker B:After this, I'm telling you, dog.
Speaker B:Michael Vick played for the Falcons.
Speaker B:But Matt Ryan is the Falcon.
Speaker B:The Falcon?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He is the Falcons, dog.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I'm not even a Falcons fan.
Speaker A:But, like, how does this happen?
Speaker B:How does this happen, bro?
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker A:I don't know how the scoring is.
Speaker A:I'm like, maybe if they're down 28 to 3, maybe it's easy for them to score points.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:Cuz I know in American, American sports, you can literally win the match in the fourth quarter after you've had a.
Speaker B:Stinker for the first three quarters.
Speaker B:In football, yeah, that's probably the hardest sport to score.
Speaker A:So what happened was this.
Speaker A:Was this Tom Brady being that goated, or was it.
Speaker A:What's this guy's name?
Speaker A:Matt Ryan.
Speaker B:Matt Ryan.
Speaker A:Matt Reezy.
Speaker A:Did Matt Reezy just.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:Stop playing.
Speaker B:It's both, dog.
Speaker A:Okay, give me both sides of the coin.
Speaker B:The Falcons just collapsed.
Speaker B:You can't tell me otherwise.
Speaker B:I don't care what sport you're playing.
Speaker B:If I show you the scorecard and I show you going into the third quarter and at the end of the game, if I show you that scorecard, if you know your sports, you'll say they collapsed.
Speaker B:There's no other way.
Speaker B:However, the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The Patriots did go beast mode.
Speaker B:That I won't lie.
Speaker B:Even with Julian Edelman making the catch.
Speaker B:Dude, he caught.
Speaker B:He caught.
Speaker B:He made the catch.
Speaker B:And he balanced the ball with the side of his head like this.
Speaker A:Oh.
Speaker B:And there was just about an inch between him and the grass.
Speaker A:I've got my next favorite pasta.
Speaker A: hing the Falcons fumble it in: Speaker B:But that's.
Speaker A:Why was that painful for you, though?
Speaker B:It wasn't painful for me.
Speaker B:It's just one of those losses that said, damn, this is really that guy.
Speaker A:Like, Tom Breezy.
Speaker B:Tom Brady is really that guy.
Speaker B:Deflategate aside, all that aside, like, how else do you explain that, bro?
Speaker B:Like, I think it's one of the most significant losses in recent sports.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Simply because of the circumstances.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Like, dog.
Speaker B:283 in 12 minutes of gameplay.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker B:The game went into overtime, but still.
Speaker A:So at overtime is 28.
Speaker A:28.
Speaker A:That's why it goes to overtime, right?
Speaker A:The score is matched.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:I know something.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Scores match.
Speaker B:28 28.
Speaker A:And they still lost.
Speaker A:Should.
Speaker A:Should I be understanding or should I just be brutal here?
Speaker B:Both.
Speaker B:Like, understanding the greatness of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, while also just saying, Falcons, all you had to do was protect the ball for 12 minutes.
Speaker B:All you had to do was protect the ball for 12 minutes.
Speaker A:So I think I will be hypocritical here.
Speaker A:I won't be hypocritical.
Speaker A:I will say I'll be on your side here.
Speaker A:It was both champions mentality coupled with a meltdown in the face of a champions mentality.
Speaker B:True.
Speaker A:Because if there was no champions, if they were playing the Ravens, it would have been finished.
Speaker B:They'd have been like, guys, we down to.
Speaker B:We.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:We're down 28 to 3.
Speaker B:Let's just go out there, try to finish it would have.
Speaker B:Have.
Speaker A:It would have been finished.
Speaker A:But they didn't close the game out in the face of a champion.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:So I'm saying.
Speaker B:I get.
Speaker A:You hear what I'm saying?
Speaker B:Yeah, they didn't.
Speaker B:They didn't finish the job.
Speaker B:They didn't finish the job.
Speaker B:And because the champion said, I don't care what y'all are saying, until the.
Speaker A:Clock strikes zero, you play until the last second.
Speaker B:Until that clock strikes zero.
Speaker A:Which.
Speaker A:Which is the wildest thing for me, for you to lose a match like that, bro, against a champion, and you start fumbling when you.
Speaker A:If they were 28 and 3 in the fourth quarter, start relaxing, then.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, you know, like, start chilling.
Speaker B:Like, get the shirts.
Speaker A:One half of the game.
Speaker B:Get the T shirts out.
Speaker A:So they lost by about what, six points?
Speaker A:So I had to just scored seven in the second half.
Speaker B:They would have won had they just kept them dudes, bro.
Speaker B:Had they just stopped them.
Speaker B:But I'll say it's both.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:Shout out to Big 12.
Speaker A:I'll.
Speaker A:I'll say it's both.
Speaker A:It's a great.
Speaker A:The greatest comeback in all of American sports.
Speaker B:Nah, dog.
Speaker A:I think it's the greatest comeback in all of this.
Speaker B:Ain't it, bro?
Speaker A:I think it's the greatest comeback in all of American sports.
Speaker A:Better than the Golden State warriors when LeBron came back against the Golden Story.
Speaker A:I think that that is more impressive.
Speaker B:This ain't it, bro.
Speaker A:This is.
Speaker A:That is more impressive that.
Speaker B:This is definitely more impressive than.
Speaker B:Than the 3.
Speaker B:1 deficit.
Speaker A:But that's.
Speaker A:That's the most impressive super bowl history.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:How do you even allow that to happen?
Speaker A:Tom Brady, bro.
Speaker B:Touche.
Speaker A:Tom Brady.
Speaker B:Touche.
Speaker A:Tom Brady.
Speaker B:Touche.
Speaker A:Tom Brady.
Speaker B:Touche.
Speaker A:But I'm gonna be.
Speaker A:I'd be very critical, very critical of the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker A:I'd be very, very critical.
Speaker B:Deservingly so.
Speaker B:Deservingly so.
Speaker B:No, you can't.
Speaker A:I'm like, I know you.
Speaker B:You can't put up that kind of stinker and expect me to be okay?
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker B:If you got to give me a.
Speaker A:Reason, I'm probably still in therapy, like, this day.
Speaker B:Like, what happened?
Speaker B:Are you, like, were you just scared of him?
Speaker B:Like, remember that RGC One World skit where Doc Rivers was talking to Ben Simmons when Ben Simmons gave up the pass instead of dunking on Trey Young?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Like, are you just scared of him?
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Like, what?
Speaker B:You could have done that.
Speaker B:You could have easily.
Speaker B:That was an easy bucket.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What happened?
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I want to know what happened.
Speaker B:Like, what was going on in here, in your mind?
Speaker A:What was going on?
Speaker B:That's all I wanted.
Speaker B:I understand you lost the game.
Speaker B:Tom Brady's a bad man.
Speaker B: you saw, like, okay, it ain't: Speaker B:It ain't 283 no more.
Speaker B:After the first test, I'm like, hey, okay, they're coming back.
Speaker B: And then it was like,: Speaker B:It was like, hey, okay, we might want to practice a sense of urgency here.
Speaker B:Like, what was, what was your thought process?
Speaker A:I don't think they were thinking, man.
Speaker A:Like, I don't think, like, what?
Speaker A:Like, how do I explain that to my children?
Speaker A:How would I explain that, bro?
Speaker A:You just pause at half time.
Speaker A:That was us at 28 3, dog.
Speaker A:So what happened, Daddy?
Speaker B:Well, well, that, man, like, what, What?
Speaker B:Tell me, bro.
Speaker A:So, like, with these, these, these terrible sports losses, I just.
Speaker A:According to us, you know, some Sundance fans who say losing to Pagania last week was rough shame.
Speaker A:The fresh national team losing to the, to the.
Speaker A:The Bokeh in the past World cup in that semi final, that was bad for them.
Speaker A:They lost by, like, one point after being up quite a bit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Also quite, Quite a big one.
Speaker A:1.
Speaker A:Michael Phelps losing to Chad LeClure, even though that was a.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I think that was a fluke because it didn't happen again.
Speaker B:Chad l had, like, one hot run.
Speaker A:And we were endorsing this guy.
Speaker B:I was like, I was about to say he got Future Life endorsements.
Speaker B:Chad CLO was the hardest name in swimming.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then it was like, I remember before the.
Speaker A:He would.
Speaker A: Did that in: Speaker B:Yeah, 12.
Speaker B:2012.
Speaker A:Whichever one.
Speaker A: And I think: Speaker A:One.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:He came out and said, this.
Speaker A:This is going to be Joe Frasier versus Muhammad Ali.
Speaker A:And then there was.
Speaker A:There were videos of him dancing in front of Michael Phelps, you know, like, you know, trying to get him off his kilt.
Speaker A:I'm like, do you know who.
Speaker B:Who you are messing with like, like Michael Phelps.
Speaker B:Like don't poke the bear.
Speaker A:And he cleaned them nicely.
Speaker B:Of course he did.
Speaker A:That picture with.
Speaker B:Yeah, of course he did.
Speaker A:M FS is here.
Speaker A:Shad is like here looking at him.
Speaker B:Hey, of course he did.
Speaker A:You already cleaned him.
Speaker A:Michael Fops is not there.
Speaker A:Not someone to play with.
Speaker B:Like you don't.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker A:I love Shadow CL.
Speaker A:Well done, bro.
Speaker A:Like you, you represented us well.
Speaker A:Mar.
Speaker A:I just don't talk smack to you.
Speaker B:Like, like what?
Speaker A:Michael Phelps, the greatest olympians you have ever existed.
Speaker B:Like, why do you.
Speaker B:Why, why would you even do that, bro?
Speaker B:South Africa, Why you even do that?
Speaker B:Yeah, true.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:All right, so with all these sports losses, what would you have changed in our last life?
Speaker A:Like five minutes.
Speaker A:Yeah, five minutes.
Speaker A:Tell us, Mukunda Mudal, what would you have changed in all those five losses that you had control over?
Speaker A:Any tactical changes you would have made?
Speaker A: potheticals going back to the: Speaker A:It was anything after those injuries happened that the warriors could have done to have won.
Speaker B:Nah, they didn't.
Speaker B:They just didn't have the firepower after that.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker B:Yeah, tactical changes, defense.
Speaker A:I could have done anything.
Speaker B:There was nothing we could have done.
Speaker B:Cuz the reason I say that as well is dog, their coach was Steve Kerr.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker B:If Steve Kerr couldn't think of a backup plan, who am I?
Speaker B:You understand?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker B:So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:I think everything that could have been done was done.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And man, when you're just outnumbered, you're outnumbered.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I don't care what sport you're playing, if we bring three of our best players and we bring three of our best players, we have a game.
Speaker B:But if you come through with three of your best players and I come through with my best player and the number four and five guy because my second and third best player are out, you already have a significant advantage.
Speaker B:I don't care if it's like comparing KD to Pascal Siakam.
Speaker B:At the end of the day we are comparing this.
Speaker B:The second best player on your team.
Speaker B:The second best player on your team.
Speaker B:And it didn't help that our best player went down, which was kd.
Speaker B:So now already we're starting you with our second best player with Steph.
Speaker B:And then our saving grace, which is Clay's shooting.
Speaker B:We can't even rely on that because he's out.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:What do we have?
Speaker B:We have a 35 year old Andre.
Speaker A:Iguidala, like sword hey, there was nothing.
Speaker B:That could have been like a young Jordan Poole.
Speaker B:Because, remember, after that, the team was bad.
Speaker B:They didn't even make it to the playoffs the next season.
Speaker A:The team was bad.
Speaker B:They're so bad, they got a top three pick in the next draft.
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know you're bad when that happens.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:So there's nothing that could have been done, bro.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker B:With the Falcons loss, I.
Speaker B:The coach just needed to give them one hell of a speech, bro.
Speaker B:But you're up 28 to 3, I'm saying.
Speaker B:In the fourth day when they were.
Speaker A:About to go to overtime.
Speaker B:Yeah, like, okay, so what.
Speaker B:The coach.
Speaker A:What could he have done in the.
Speaker A:In the second half when we were.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:When we're like, 28 to 3 up.
Speaker A:What was he supposed to tell them?
Speaker B:28 to 3 up.
Speaker B:Take care of the football.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Game's not over.
Speaker B:Take care of the football.
Speaker B:Because you know what happens when.
Speaker B:When the team is up?
Speaker B:Like, when a team is up like that in football, they just run it.
Speaker B:Kill time by running the ball.
Speaker B:Take care of the football.
Speaker B:Make sure you have the ball with you the longest.
Speaker B:Clearly, you didn't do that.
Speaker B:Didn't take care of the football, and you didn't take care of the football against the one team you should be.
Speaker A:Taking care of the football against.
Speaker A:This is not the Detroit.
Speaker B:That's not a drill, dog.
Speaker B:That's not a drill.
Speaker B:Do you realize this is your first Super Bowl?
Speaker A:You got it first.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:This is your first Super Bowl.
Speaker B:You got a hungry Tom Brady on the other side.
Speaker A:How many rings did Tom Brady have.
Speaker B:At that point by 20.
Speaker B:2017.
Speaker B:He still had two more rings to.
Speaker A:Go to get to seven.
Speaker A:Yeah, so he had five.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was his fifth ring.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:He wants.
Speaker A:Tom Brady won two more rings after all that.
Speaker A:Tom Brady's a bad.
Speaker A:He's a.
Speaker A:He's a bad man, dog.
Speaker B:This.
Speaker B:This dude has rings and MVPs after turning 40.
Speaker A:Multiple.
Speaker B:He has a res.
Speaker B:He has a Hall of fame resume after 40.
Speaker B:Tom Brady resume.
Speaker A:Thomas Patrick Edward Brady.
Speaker B:Ah.
Speaker B:After turning 40.
Speaker B:I can't even read this with a straight face, Doug.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:After turning 40, Brady's NFL resume boasts a 70 to 24 record.
Speaker A:70 to 24.
Speaker B:Okay, 26.
Speaker B:893 passing yards, 191 touchdowns and 59 interceptions, including three Super bowl titles and MVP award.
Speaker A:Three for three.
Speaker A:Three Super Bowls and three MVPs.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Three super bowl titles and an MVP.
Speaker A:Award and one regular season MVP.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And three finals MVPs, right?
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker A:Two.
Speaker B:Two.
Speaker B:I think Julian Edelman won one of those.
Speaker A:But that's still, like, ridiculous.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's a Hall of Fame.
Speaker B:That's a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker B:Any sport after 40.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Brady.
Speaker A:It's definitely better than Pat Mahomes is.
Speaker A:Ever was.
Speaker A:Ever will be.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:If that boy's career keeps going at this trajectory.
Speaker B:It's late, dog.
Speaker A:Late?
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker B:It's cooked, Brad.
Speaker A:He's got three supers, security has three with.
Speaker B:With five appearances.
Speaker B:And he's just been a starting quarterback for like, eight years.
Speaker B:He's been to the conference finals.
Speaker A:Bunny Hopper.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But listen, is.
Speaker A:Is American a white sport?
Speaker A:Of black sports?
Speaker B:Sport.
Speaker B:He's half white.
Speaker A:But, like, is America in a black sport or white sport?
Speaker B:It's a white.
Speaker B:It's a white sport played by black men.
Speaker A:So by that definition, Thomas Eric Patrick Brady Jr.
Speaker A:Will always be the goat, because.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:It is owned by.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Aha.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:What do you think Chelsea could have done different?
Speaker B:Hey.
Speaker A: In: Speaker A:Drug book, like, did you.
Speaker A:A drug boy.
Speaker A:You've heard of the.
Speaker A:The live warrior, right?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker A:Had he not gotten a red card, we would have won that match.
Speaker B: Draymond Suspension in: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Type of thing.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Because instead of John Terry taking that penalty, Drogba would have taken the penalty and would have won.
Speaker A: It showed in: Speaker B:But I thought John Terry was a legend.
Speaker B:Was a legend.
Speaker A:He is a legend.
Speaker B:Why can't he make a free throw?
Speaker B:Why can't he make a penalty?
Speaker A:Someone died in his family, Joe.
Speaker A:That was his excuse.
Speaker A:He slipped.
Speaker A:Think about it.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:He kicked the wrong way, but it was too hard, and the goalkeeper went the other way.
Speaker B:Did you.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And do you accept that?
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker A:I don't accept it.
Speaker A:I don't accept that.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker B:I know that's like.
Speaker B:I don't accept that you just.
Speaker B:The minute.
Speaker B:The minute you got on the field and he was.
Speaker A:He was a rock in.
Speaker A:In defense.
Speaker B:You understand?
Speaker B:The minute you step on the field, that means you're willing to acknowledge that.
Speaker B:That means you're willing to let go of all your problems and focus on the game.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So there's.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think that those are the.
Speaker A:The only.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker A:The few things we could have.
Speaker A:Could have done.
Speaker A:We could have put more people on Ronaldo.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:We could have put.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Left a prime Ronaldo.
Speaker B:One on one on one.
Speaker A:Not even one on one, but we could have just like put more pressure pressure on him.
Speaker A:Like our CDM could have just like tracked him.
Speaker A:Because when once we.
Speaker A:Because he scored the first girl goal, right?
Speaker A:And then when we started putting more pressure on him, he disappeared for the match.
Speaker B:You know the thing I realized about these.
Speaker B:These goat athletes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Same thing I get when I watch Lebron highlights.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because we got to see so much of them in their.
Speaker B:In their olden days, right after.
Speaker B:Way after their prime.
Speaker B:And because they're generation.
Speaker B:They're generationally great players.
Speaker B:They'll be great players regardless.
Speaker B:So you don't really get to see the fall off until you watch footage of them from the younger days.
Speaker A:Younger days.
Speaker B:And you're like prime Ronaldo, you dog.
Speaker B:I was watching prime stuff.
Speaker B: Highlights like: Speaker A:Step everyone.
Speaker A:That's when this economy Chef Curry.
Speaker B:Yeah my.
Speaker B:I was watching and then I watched.
Speaker A:Miami LeBron Eastern Commerce Eastern Conference Semi.
Speaker B:Finals game five against Boston.
Speaker A:Oh, he cooked.
Speaker B:It looked like a man possessed.
Speaker B:Give him 40.
Speaker B:Give him a beautiful 40.
Speaker A:It was rough.
Speaker A:So yeah, I think that's what Chelsea could have done.
Speaker A:But that match could have gotten either way.
Speaker A:But we.
Speaker A:Chelsea had the best team because in the UEFA awards we had the best goalkeeper, the best defender, the best midfielder, and Ronaldo was the only attacker that was not a Chelsea player.
Speaker A:That's how.
Speaker A:That's how good that Chelsea squad was.
Speaker A:That's how good that Chelsea squad was.
Speaker B:Y'all folded.
Speaker A:Yeah, we f.
Speaker A:We folded.
Speaker A:Y'all folded.
Speaker A:Yeah, we did.
Speaker A: So with the down: Speaker A:That's all he needs to.
Speaker A:Needs to do there with the Djokovic.
Speaker A:He should have show up to work.
Speaker A:Should have just showed up to work.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's all I've got.
Speaker A:So we got to our conclusion.
Speaker A:That's the end of the worst sports losses in football in.
Speaker A:In the sports history.
Speaker A:What now?
Speaker B:Kamaru Usman losing.
Speaker A:I'll give you.
Speaker A:I'll give you 10, 20 seconds for this one.
Speaker B:Kamaru Usman losing to Leon Edwards by head kick KO in the fifth round of a fight he was statistically winning will never ever make me feel.
Speaker A:Okay, here's the chat.
Speaker A:You don't lose matches.
Speaker A:You're supposed to win.
Speaker B:No, you don't.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker A:I said don't.
Speaker B:I know you don't.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker A:I said you're not supposed to lose matches that you are supposed to win.
Speaker A:You're statistically winning the match.
Speaker B:He won't.
Speaker A:Anyway.
Speaker A:Useless.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:Following Players like that.
Speaker B:No, besides that.
Speaker A:Mind you.
Speaker B:Mind you, before this, Kamaru Usman was undefeated in the ufc.
Speaker A:Not anymore.
Speaker B:Writing the coat.
Speaker B:Let me tell you, bro.
Speaker B:Let me tell you how bad this man was coming up to that fight.
Speaker B:Coming up to that fight.
Speaker B:He was on a.
Speaker B:Excuse me, 15, 15 fight win streak.
Speaker B:14 fight win streak.
Speaker B:And he had defend.
Speaker B: efending his title since like: Speaker B:So he had held his title for two years.
Speaker B:And the WI fi is not cooperating.
Speaker A:I'm not to deal with them.
Speaker A:Like, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't pay premium for all this and for the WI Fi.
Speaker B:Yeah, no, no, like this is.
Speaker B:I can't deal with this.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I'm gonna have to sort this out.
Speaker A:Hey, listen, what are we doing?
Speaker B:Ah, there we go.
Speaker A:Okay, good, we're back.
Speaker A:We're live.
Speaker B:Yeah, we complained enough.
Speaker B:We switched.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Mixed martial arts record.
Speaker B:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14.
Speaker B:So he was on a 14 fight win streak in the UFC.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker B:14 fight win streak in the UFC.
Speaker B:And he had defended his title 1, 2, 3, 4,.
Speaker B:5.
Speaker B:With five title defenses.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So you definitely would have.
Speaker A:Like Usman has got this.
Speaker B:And he had it.
Speaker B:Like I'm saying, he won.
Speaker A:What happened?
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He won possibly three of the three of the five rounds.
Speaker B:Headshot ko.
Speaker A:No, what happened for him to get into that position?
Speaker B:That was just a perfectly executed head shot.
Speaker A:And you couldn't, couldn't duck.
Speaker B:That was a perfectly executed head kick.
Speaker A:This is your goat that couldn't duck a head kick.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:In ducking, he got kicked in the head.
Speaker B:They fainted a punch.
Speaker B:And while he was ducking the punch, he got baited into taking the kick.
Speaker A:Okay, is this your goat?
Speaker A:Who didn't As I anticipate him being baited.
Speaker B:Ah, dog.
Speaker B:Mistakes happen everywhere, huh?
Speaker B:Mistakes happen everywhere.
Speaker B:And the beauty.
Speaker B:Not there, the beauty of MMA is that it could happen because he wasn't fighting a bum at the time.
Speaker B:Rocky Edwards was also on a great win streak.
Speaker B:Y.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But yeah.
Speaker A:Talking about combat sports, a moment of silence.
Speaker A:One of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time, Big George Foreman.
Speaker A:Rest in peace, my brother.
Speaker A:Yes, rest in peace.
Speaker B:Rest in peace, Big George.
Speaker A:Like you remember that match against Michael Moore.
Speaker A:It happened, it happened when he knocked out a 26 year old Michael Moore.
Speaker B:When he was 45 after coming back from retirement, dog.
Speaker A:He demolished Joe Frazier twice.
Speaker A:Got beaten by Ali, became a preacher of the gospel.
Speaker A:Think about this.
Speaker A:He was like, I'm gonna beat you in the ring.
Speaker A:But I'll pray for you, my brother.
Speaker A:Yeah, he came back, he gave Evander the Real Deal Holyfield a hard time.
Speaker A:And then he got a tile shot against Michael Mora.
Speaker A:He won, retired, did.
Speaker A:Made millions of dollars from the George Foreman Grill.
Speaker A:And now he's gone to be with the lord in number 78.
Speaker A:76.
Speaker A:Ah, the great.
Speaker A:One of the greatest boxes ever.
Speaker B:Shout out power.
Speaker A:Devastating knockout power.
Speaker A:I think he's better than us.
Speaker A:Greater.
Speaker A:Greater than us.
Speaker A:Not better.
Speaker B:Greater.
Speaker A:Greater.
Speaker A:Not better.
Speaker B:I was about to say skillful skill.
Speaker A:Us is better.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker B:Us is better.
Speaker A:Is better.
Speaker A:But not great in terms of heavyweight, not boxes overall.
Speaker A:Cuz I.
Speaker A:I think us is up there pound for pound.
Speaker B:Pound for pound.
Speaker B:Us.
Speaker B:That's a bad.
Speaker B:That's a bad man.
Speaker A:He ruined so many careers.
Speaker B:He ruined a chat for another day.
Speaker A:That's a chat for another day.
Speaker A:Anyway, guys, thank you very much for listening to two grown men placing their faith and other men to break their hearts and ruin their weeks and make them cry when that was not necessary for them to do so.
Speaker A:Remember, I am NJ and that that's Mukundi.
Speaker A:And remember that success is a progressive realization of what that deal that means.
Speaker A:You're going after what you've always want to go after because aligned with your highest values.
Speaker A:That's the only way for you to live a true, fulfilled, successful and an inspired life.
Speaker A:Take the success lessons from all of these losses that we had taken.
Speaker A:Just make sure you don't put an Atlanta in your week.
Speaker A:Please don't fumble matches.
Speaker A:You're supposed to fumble.
Speaker A:You're supposed to win.
Speaker A:Please don't do that.
Speaker A:I'm gonna watch highlights of that match when I'm done.
Speaker A:All right, guys, thank you very much.
Speaker A:Thank you very much.
Speaker A:McCoy, Kundik, always shout out.
Speaker B:I got to show you that.
