Unlocking the Winner's Mindset: What Makes an Athlete Mentally Strong?
Success in sports often hinges on a winner's mentality, and in this episode, NJ and Mukundi delve into what it truly means to be a mentally strong athlete. They explore how resilience and determination can define an athlete's performance, especially in high-pressure situations like finals or crucial matches. The discussion touches on notable examples, such as the contrasting mentalities of icons like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, and Novak Djokovic, highlighting their ability to overcome challenges and maintain focus. Additionally, they reflect on how external factors, such as competition and pressure, can influence an athlete's mindset. With insights on the importance of learning from failures and the value of a clean slate, NJ and Mukundi encourage listeners to adopt a strong mental approach in their own lives, both in sports and beyond.
Success in sports is often defined by the mindset of the athlete, and N.J. and Mukundi engage in a compelling discussion on what constitutes a 'winner's mentality'. They explore the psychological attributes that separate the greats from the good, emphasizing resilience, determination, and the ability to learn from failures. Drawing on examples from various sports, they dissect how athletes like Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan exemplify mental toughness, showcasing their capacity to perform under pressure and bounce back from adversity. The conversation also touches on contemporary figures like Novak Djokovic and Lionel Messi, illustrating how today's sports stars continue to redefine excellence through mental strength and competitive spirit.
Throughout the episode, the hosts delve into specific instances of athlete meltdowns and the implications of these moments on their legacies. They highlight how the ability to recover from setbacks—whether through physical prowess or mental fortitude—is crucial for any athlete aiming for greatness. The discussion is rich in anecdotes and references to pivotal matches and performances, painting a vivid picture of the highs and lows athletes face in their careers. The episode serves as a motivational reminder that mental resilience, coupled with skill, is fundamental in achieving sustained success in sports.
Takeaways:
- Success is about the relentless pursuit of goals and ideals that inspire you.
- A mentally strong athlete possesses resilience, pushing through challenges to achieve greatness.
- Experiencing failure is not the end; it’s about how you bounce back stronger.
- The importance of mental strength in sports cannot be overstated; it defines champions.
- Athletes like Serena Williams and Kobe Bryant exemplify the power of a winning mindset.
- In sports, it’s crucial to show up in the big moments, especially finals.
Transcript
Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.
Speaker A:I'm gonna show you how great I am.
Speaker A:Hey, everybody, and welcome back to the podcast.
Speaker A:Myself, N.J.
Speaker A:and I'm here with the co host, Mukundi Muda.
Speaker A:And I'm good, man.
Speaker B: ,: Speaker B:You're ruining my brand.
Speaker A:I'm ruining your brand?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Mukundi.
Speaker A:Oh, just Mukundi.
Speaker A:Okay, Mukundi.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm here with Mukundi, the vendor extraordinaire.
Speaker A:Superstar.
Speaker A:That's not.
Speaker A:Yes, that's saved.
Speaker A:That's saved.
Speaker A:The one and the only.
Speaker A:Welcome back, man.
Speaker A:Welcome back.
Speaker A:Welcome back.
Speaker B:It's been too long.
Speaker A:It's been too long since we've been on the.
Speaker A:On the.
Speaker A:It's been all of three weeks.
Speaker B:Last I was here, we.
Speaker B:We talk nonsense for like.
Speaker B:Like two hours.
Speaker A:No, it wasn't nonsense.
Speaker B:It was quite important about our soccer takes.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:About the psl.
Speaker B:Like, like, I don't take anything back.
Speaker B:I don't take it back.
Speaker A:But I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker A:I'll tell you what I know.
Speaker A:You know what people will say?
Speaker A:I'm like, hey, hey, you don't know much.
Speaker A:Hey, he.
Speaker A:You have a microphone.
Speaker A:Hey, you have a podcast.
Speaker A:Like we do.
Speaker A:And we're taking the time to share our opinions and then be corrected.
Speaker A:And what that means is if we're corrected, we are now better and we know more.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:That's so.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:Like, welcome all.
Speaker A:Welcome all the negative comments.
Speaker A: So welcome to: Speaker A:Are you feeling good about the.
Speaker B: You say it's: Speaker A: Yes, it's: Speaker A:Ready for the year?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm more than ready, man.
Speaker B:I feel like it.
Speaker B:It took its time getting here.
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker B: I was done with: Speaker B:Are we done, like, by June?
Speaker B:I was done by June.
Speaker A:That's like half.
Speaker B:So a lot.
Speaker B:There was a lot.
Speaker B:There was a lot in that half.
Speaker B:And now I'm just glad that it's over and.
Speaker B:Yeah, clean slate, bro.
Speaker A:A clean slate.
Speaker A:Clean slate.
Speaker A:Have we stopped saying happy New Year to everybody now?
Speaker A:Can we.
Speaker A:Can we stop that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:After the seventh.
Speaker A:After the.
Speaker B:The first week.
Speaker A:Oh, after the seventh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Seven days.
Speaker A:We're at the 12th now.
Speaker B:12Th now it's tickets.
Speaker B:Now the NFL playoffs have started.
Speaker A:Even NFL players have started.
Speaker A:Hey, how about the Ravens?
Speaker A:How about the Ravens?
Speaker B:Hey, beat this team.
Speaker B:Feel this.
Speaker B:Emphatically.
Speaker B:Well, not emphatic.
Speaker A:What does emphatically mean?
Speaker B:Well, not emphatically.
Speaker B:What was the score, 30 something, 28 something, 28, 23.
Speaker A:I think that's not emphatic.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:Hey, man, that's a touchdown.
Speaker B:I'll tell you just now.
Speaker B:I'll tell you just now.
Speaker B:But we did well.
Speaker A:No, that's good.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:We did well.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:So why are you.
Speaker A:While you're looking at that.
Speaker A:So this week, I want to talk about the makings of a mentally strong athlete.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:28, 14.
Speaker A:Okay, that's.
Speaker A:That's emphatic.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's emphatic.
Speaker A:Well done.
Speaker B:I told you.
Speaker B:And it was personal.
Speaker B:You know how the Ravens be for the Steelers.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It's like.
Speaker A:It's like Chelsea versus Arsenal.
Speaker B:We just.
Speaker A:We just don't like each other's team.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Has Arsenal won anything?
Speaker A:They've won FA Cups.
Speaker A:They've.
Speaker A:But they haven't won, like, a major Premier League title, you know, like the League title.
Speaker A: They haven't won that since: Speaker B:I was four years old.
Speaker A:That was since past 21 years.
Speaker A:They haven't won a Premier League title.
Speaker A:They haven't won a Champions League title.
Speaker B:Nothing.
Speaker A:Nothing.
Speaker A:Not none.
Speaker A:Not mix.
Speaker B:Just a young tournament in.
Speaker A:That's not a young tournament.
Speaker A:They're still a competitive team.
Speaker A:They make it into Europe every single season.
Speaker A:But they haven't won it versus Chelsea.
Speaker A:We have won.
Speaker A:We have won eight European titles to your zero.
Speaker B:You have one of the last one.
Speaker A: The Last one was: Speaker A:That wasn't.
Speaker A:I wasn't too far.
Speaker A:I was like, four years ago.
Speaker B: I ain't mad at: Speaker A:That was four seasons ago.
Speaker B:I'll give you that.
Speaker A: emier League title we won was: Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Now I'm starting to say, like, okay, we need to, like, win the league.
Speaker B: But: Speaker A:Actually, eight years ago.
Speaker B:Yeah, eight years ago.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's starting.
Speaker B:It's getting there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I feel like in sports, you're.
Speaker B:We'll let you live off that.
Speaker B:Whatever championship you won.
Speaker B:Five years, even five is pushing.
Speaker B:It's pushing it because.
Speaker B:Okay, it can be one championship in five years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But you have to.
Speaker B:You have to have been competitive for those five years.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:@ least, like making it finals, conference.
Speaker B:Finals, stuff like that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Then I'd be like, okay, you were solid.
Speaker B:You're solid.
Speaker A:You see?
Speaker B:You see, like the Nuggets or the war.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The warriors are a perfect example.
Speaker B:All right, The warriors won 51.
Speaker B:The championship in 22.
Speaker B: ut they won a championship in: Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And they've been trash ever since.
Speaker B:So can we really say, you know, can we still say they're top team because they won a championship, what, three years ago?
Speaker A:No, you can't say that.
Speaker A:No, you can't say that.
Speaker B:No, we can't.
Speaker A:Who's that song that sang that song?
Speaker A:What have you done for me lately?
Speaker B:What you done lately?
Speaker B:Don't tell me about what was then.
Speaker A:There was a woman who sang a song.
Speaker A:What have you done lately?
Speaker B:Oh, the only one I know is Damian Lillard.
Speaker A:Oh, Dame Dash.
Speaker B:Yeah, Dame.
Speaker A:What has he done?
Speaker A:What has he done?
Speaker A:What has he done?
Speaker B:In season tournament, we don't care.
Speaker A:We don't care.
Speaker B:In season, tournament, we don't care.
Speaker B:Ah, a trophy is a trophy.
Speaker B:No, no, more important, when was the last time Chelsea won a trophy?
Speaker A:When was last time Chelsea won a trophy?
Speaker B:Well, last time, Charles, besides that.
Speaker B:2021 one.
Speaker A: We won the Club World cup in: Speaker B:What's that now?
Speaker A:It's a Club World Cup.
Speaker A:It's a Club World Cup.
Speaker A:It's like of the Champions League and the UEFA League.
Speaker A:Like the, you know, the Champions League across the world.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:The winners of those enter a tournament.
Speaker A:Oh, and then they took it out.
Speaker A:Oh, and we won that.
Speaker A:Oh, and then we won the.
Speaker B:The super cup, which is when you still had Kremlin money.
Speaker A:I don't know about Kremlin money, but we still have that.
Speaker A:Roman Abramovich was still our blesser at the time.
Speaker A:He's a blesser.
Speaker A:Like it was our blesser.
Speaker A:So that's.
Speaker A:That's the last time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you have to think about it.
Speaker A:Last time we actually won a trophy, I think that was that.
Speaker A:That was the last one we won.
Speaker A:Maybe that was.
Speaker A:Yeah, Chelsea, bro.
Speaker A:Even Manchester United.
Speaker A:Man United won a trophy last season.
Speaker B:The Carabao Cup.
Speaker A:Not the Carabao.
Speaker A:It was the FA Cup.
Speaker B:When did Man United win the Carabao Cup?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:But no one really cares about the Carabao Cup.
Speaker B: at they won a cup, I think in: Speaker A:Yeah, Man United.
Speaker B:But I heard man.
Speaker B:I heard Man City is also Man City's.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think they're throwing games on Purp.
Speaker A:They've got financial fair play charges against them because 115, 150.
Speaker A:They have more charges against them than Zuma had while he was still president.
Speaker A:He's got.
Speaker A:They've got 115 fair play charges against.
Speaker B:Him because they don't show.
Speaker A:Don't sh.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker B:Why did this person must take a show.
Speaker A:115 Fair Play charges against him and then they could be have point deductions and have Premier League stripped away from them.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:And then they could end up being relegated.
Speaker A:So I think they just.
Speaker A:They're just throwing.
Speaker A:Imagine Manchester City relegated.
Speaker A:You imagine.
Speaker A:Pep, Pepper, you're one of my favorite coaches.
Speaker A:Like he's just talking trash.
Speaker A:No Peps slide is allowed here.
Speaker A:Oh, none is allowed here.
Speaker A:That is allowed here.
Speaker B:Listen, all I know is that he's Pep Guardiola and he is one of the best.
Speaker A:One of the best ever, if not.
Speaker B:The best of his generation.
Speaker B:Cuz apparently he's possibly the goat.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:He's possibly the goat of coaches.
Speaker A:Possibly the goat Man United fans.
Speaker A:I'm like, ah, it's Alex Ferguson.
Speaker B:I was about to say the only other coach I know is Alex Ferguson.
Speaker A:Yeah, but like think about it.
Speaker A:Pep Gorilla has.
Speaker A:I'm just think about league titles.
Speaker B:Cuz I was thinking he was.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He was the bad man in Bayern as well.
Speaker A:He was bad.
Speaker A:And buy it like bad.
Speaker A:Like, like he won Champions League.
Speaker A:He's won three Champions League, which is one more than Alex Ferguson has.
Speaker A:He's won how many?
Speaker A:He won six Premier Leagues which is seven less than Alex Ferguson.
Speaker A:But he still won league titles in Spain and in Germany.
Speaker A:So if you add all of those.
Speaker B:Apps and Alex has only coached in.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, he's also coached in Scotland.
Speaker A:Ah, come on, come on.
Speaker B:Premier League.
Speaker A:No, man.
Speaker A:He's coaching Scotland, Scott.
Speaker A:In the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Premier League.
Speaker B:This is Scotland, part of the uk.
Speaker A:But it's not part of the Premier League.
Speaker A:Like they've got their own league.
Speaker B:So wait, wait.
Speaker B:The Premier League is exclusive to London?
Speaker A:It's England.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's England.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's England.
Speaker B:So I thought it was a uk.
Speaker A:No, it's just England.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:It's just England.
Speaker B:Very much like the English.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, very much like the English.
Speaker A:Yeah, very much.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Right, so ten minutes and imagine.
Speaker A:So I want to.
Speaker A:So today we're going to be talking about the makings of a mentally strong athlete.
Speaker A:You want to see my.
Speaker A:My Rafael Nadal cap?
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's retired.
Speaker A:I don't know what to do with myself in tennis now.
Speaker A:It's just like, it's.
Speaker A:It's so weird.
Speaker A:Like, it's so weird.
Speaker A:Australian openness up that Jovic is going for number 25.
Speaker A:I hope he gets it.
Speaker B:Number 25, 25th grand slam.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:25Th major.
Speaker A:So he can be the all time leader across males and females in tennis majors in just the singles.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:The number two person's got number 24 is Margaret Court, who's got one more than Serena Williams.
Speaker A:I just had to throw that in there to throw that.
Speaker B:I'm not going to mention what you said to me of.
Speaker A:Oh, oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I've got, I've got a confession to make.
Speaker A:I have to make a confession.
Speaker A:Dr.
Speaker A:Umar, you'll be, you'll be happy to hear this confession.
Speaker A:So Mukundi model was right.
Speaker A:I mean Mukundu was right, right?
Speaker A:Mukundo's right.
Speaker A:He was like.
Speaker A:He, he.
Speaker B:Tell me something I don't know.
Speaker B:Yeah, I don't know if I should look at that camera.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter.
Speaker A:The Ravens ain't winning the chip this year.
Speaker A:Oh, you know that too.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Now how did we get.
Speaker B:How did we get there?
Speaker A:I'm just petty.
Speaker B:So we get there.
Speaker A:I was doing some, some research and there's one video came across that talked about who's the most dominant just tennis player of the 21st century.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Most dominant tennis player for the 21st century.
Speaker A:Not just male, female.
Speaker A:Just if you have a racket.
Speaker A:If you have a racket.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Then though, like it has five syllables.
Speaker A:The name has five syllables.
Speaker A:That was like, okay, Roger Feder.
Speaker A:Okay, no, that's not the one.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Raphael.
Speaker A:Not down.
Speaker A:Okay, it's got five.
Speaker A:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:No, Vector Kovich.
Speaker A:Okay, great.
Speaker A:No, got three.
Speaker A:No, not whatsoever.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker A:Martina Navrati Lova.
Speaker A:Not too many.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Serena Williams.
Speaker A:Serena.
Speaker A:So I'm like, why is she the most dumb?
Speaker A:I thought you want to say Novak Djokovic.
Speaker A:What this guy was saying in this video, he was like, I'm not talking about male, female.
Speaker A:Because like, because then if she, if Serena played Novak Nova could kill it properly.
Speaker A:Like it would not.
Speaker A:It wouldn't be.
Speaker A:It wouldn't be fair.
Speaker A:You know, she played the 200th ranked man and they played like a proper two set match.
Speaker A:Surely got one set to her rank 200, right?
Speaker A:Number 200.
Speaker B:And he dog walked her.
Speaker A:She said, I don't want to play against men's a different sport.
Speaker A:But like back to just tennis, right?
Speaker A:He listed all the things that she had done.
Speaker A:Like, so she's got 23 grand slams.
Speaker A:She's won every single Grand Slam.
Speaker B:So it's too shy of your boy Novak if he wins this one.
Speaker A:Yeah, too shy, too shy, too Shy in one short of Margaret Court.
Speaker A:One more than Steffi Kraft, one more than Rafael Nadal.
Speaker A:But anyway, it sounds a man sport.
Speaker A:So 23 Grand Slams in singles and in doubles.
Speaker A:She has 17 Grand Slams in doubles with her sister.
Speaker A:She has four gold medals.
Speaker A:Four, four, four.
Speaker A:Like, four, four, four.
Speaker B:That's 16 years.
Speaker B:That's 14 years.
Speaker A:That's four gold medals.
Speaker A:I think this is both in singles and in doubles.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Four gold medals.
Speaker A:She's been ranked number one.
Speaker A:Something like 356 weeks.
Speaker A:I don't know how many years that is.
Speaker A:Stephen Kraft has still got 20 more weeks.
Speaker A:But anyway, watch how.
Speaker B:Even when I love.
Speaker B:How even when you're giving Serena her props, you still somehow find a way to discredit it.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker B:Well, not.
Speaker B:But you still somehow find a way to bring.
Speaker A:Balancing it out.
Speaker A:I'm balancing it out.
Speaker B:Is it Stephanie Kraft?
Speaker A:Stephanie Craft?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You still.
Speaker A:No, because there's some listeners, like, who don't want to hear anything about Stephen Crab.
Speaker A:She's the goat.
Speaker A:And that's it.
Speaker A:Some people don't want to hear that.
Speaker A:You know, like those people, when you bring up LeBron, they're like, I don't want to hear it's Michael Jordan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, you.
Speaker B:How you feel.
Speaker B:How you feel.
Speaker B:You can be wrong still.
Speaker B:And you're allowed to tell your girlfriend.
Speaker A:Or what you tell her.
Speaker B:I wish I could.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker A:That's the answer.
Speaker A:That's the answer.
Speaker A:So she also had tougher opposition.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And then she also beat her own sister.
Speaker A:But her sister was as much as like, a significant older than her.
Speaker A:And sports is like five years.
Speaker B:Oh, damn.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So they.
Speaker B:Five years in sports.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And they played each other in a Wimbledon final.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And the father refused to watch.
Speaker A:Oh, it was like, I'm watching this final.
Speaker A:Whoever wins, you guys tell me who won.
Speaker B:But he knew deep down, he must have known, like, so then it's like when.
Speaker B: It was in: Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker B:They.
Speaker B:They would.
Speaker B:They were past that reputation by then.
Speaker B:But the warriors were playing the Trailblazers, and Steph Curry's parents.
Speaker B:Yeah, Seth Curry was on the Trailblazers at that time.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So Steph's parents are like, yeah, we're trying to be neutral, you know?
Speaker B:So they get.
Speaker B:They had these jerseys made where the front was the warriors and the back was Portland.
Speaker B:So to be neutral.
Speaker A:Nah.
Speaker A:Just don't.
Speaker B:And I was like, we both know which team is winning this.
Speaker A:Come on.
Speaker B:The warriors won, and they swept Them.
Speaker A:I think they swept them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm pretty sure the warriors swept the Trailblazers.
Speaker B:Okay, which was.
Speaker B:Which is what?
Speaker B:What I was saying about level.
Speaker B:Sometimes teams just get there when they don't get there.
Speaker B:But it was pretty funny to see Steph's parents do that.
Speaker B:And they're like, yeah, we don't know who's gonna wait.
Speaker B:And we're trying to be impartial about it.
Speaker B:And we're all like, yeah, it's a diplomatic.
Speaker B: This is a: Speaker B:Warriors.
Speaker A: We talked about: Speaker A:Oh, no, it's fresh off a chip.
Speaker A:Fresh, bro.
Speaker A:Fresh fresh.
Speaker A:They were aiming for a three beat.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So Serena, shout out.
Speaker B:Shout out to those injuries.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:Shout out to those injuries.
Speaker A:So Serena, we thought she had arrival.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Maria Sharapova beat her in Wimbledon and then beat her again in.
Speaker A: : Speaker A:It's like a tournament that's just below the importance of a Grand Slam.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Sweet.
Speaker A:So then she.
Speaker B:So we have, by the way, sweep, sweep.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Like, broom bristles out the teeth.
Speaker A:So then after that, Serena invoked her in a Jordan.
Speaker A:She took it personally.
Speaker A:And in the next 20 matches, semi finals and finals, Serena beat her neck arrival 20 straight times.
Speaker A:Like, 20.
Speaker A:Like, 20.
Speaker A:Like, twenty.
Speaker B:Were they at least close?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't know, but.
Speaker A:Doesn't matter.
Speaker A:You lost 20 times straight.
Speaker A:He lost 20 times straight.
Speaker A:That's like.
Speaker A:That's like when Roger Federer lost seven straight finals to Nadal and then Novak Djokovic went and beat Nadal.
Speaker A:Seven straight finals.
Speaker B:Like, okay, it has to be competitive.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:Some of those matches went down to the wire.
Speaker A:Like, went down to, like.
Speaker B:Ah, but.
Speaker A:But you still are seven straight.
Speaker A:Seven.
Speaker B:But here's the thing.
Speaker B:When we check the record books, there's not gonna be an asterisk that says, this was close.
Speaker A:No, you lost seven straight.
Speaker B:Like, as we say in basketball almost don't count.
Speaker A:No, it doesn't count.
Speaker B:You could almost make that shot.
Speaker A:Almost.
Speaker A:That LeBron James almost comes up alone.
Speaker A:So who's.
Speaker A:Who's the.
Speaker A:The most?
Speaker A:So that Serena is the undisputed goat of women's tennis.
Speaker A:That's what I say.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Now I say that.
Speaker A:Now I say that now.
Speaker A:I was on team, even though won each Grand Slam about four times.
Speaker A:Serena didn't do that.
Speaker A:But I'm just saying, totality of.
Speaker B:Who's the goat?
Speaker A:Totality of.
Speaker A:The totality of.
Speaker A:Of women's tennis, sports, singles, doubles, all of that.
Speaker A:Serena.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So it's Serena.
Speaker A:No, it is Serena.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:So leave.
Speaker B:Leave Stephie out of it.
Speaker A:She's still good, though.
Speaker A:Like, is.
Speaker A:And also like the.
Speaker A:The here's.
Speaker A:Here's a question I have to ask you.
Speaker A:If you.
Speaker A:If I win 25, like majors or 25 championships, and if I win 25, you win 30, and then people say that you had easier competition and I had harder competition.
Speaker A:Do you take that into account?
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker A:My chat is that I beat everyone in front of me.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:I did what I was supposed to do.
Speaker B:I did what I was supposed to do.
Speaker B:You brought people, you brought challenges.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker A:And I beat all of them.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I beat everyone.
Speaker B:You can't try to discredit me.
Speaker B:It's not like I was playing bus drivers and bums.
Speaker B:I was playing fellow professionals.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And you beat them.
Speaker B:And I beat them convincingly.
Speaker B:These are professionals ranked players, which means, dog, they are closer to me than I am to them.
Speaker B:Well, as me being Stephanie, they are closer to me than the next person off the street.
Speaker B:And it's not like I was like.
Speaker B:Like I'm saying, it's not like I was playing someone off the street.
Speaker B:I was playing a professional.
Speaker B:And we're gonna hold it up to professional standards.
Speaker B:Not my fault.
Speaker B:They not up to my standard.
Speaker B:It's just like this.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm gonna sound like a hypocrite here.
Speaker B:Huh?
Speaker A:Go ahead, be hypocritical.
Speaker A:You're a man.
Speaker B:Because we could use that same argument in basketball.
Speaker B:The thing with tennis is it's such a one man sport.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That you are in control of everything.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Unlike basketball.
Speaker B:That's a team sport.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Because Bill Russell, Michael Jordan.
Speaker A:Bill.
Speaker A:Like, what are you talking about?
Speaker A:You're talking about.
Speaker A:He won.
Speaker A:He won 11.
Speaker B:He won 11.
Speaker A:He won eleven.
Speaker B:With eight straight.
Speaker A:Eight straight.
Speaker B:Eight straight.
Speaker A:When there were eight teams, like, what are we doing?
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And players had.
Speaker B:Had.
Speaker A:Had, like, side hustles.
Speaker B:Basketball was a side hustle.
Speaker A:It was a side hustle.
Speaker A:It was a side hustle.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Nah, but for real, no, that.
Speaker B:We can't.
Speaker B:We can't fault her for that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Can't fault her for that.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:What I'm saying is that Serena faced tougher competition.
Speaker A:The people say Serena faced tougher competition than Steffi, but Steffi still literally dominated whoever this chef.
Speaker B:But could you say it's tougher competition or was it just more evolved competition?
Speaker A:If.
Speaker A:If you evolved, it's tougher.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Yeah, but you are.
Speaker B:You were also at that level.
Speaker B:If you get What I'm saying.
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:We've.
Speaker B:It's not like we're putting two people from two different generations on the same court.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So that means Serena is playing players that have evolved, that are.
Speaker B:That have evolved.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:For that time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which means she's one of them.
Speaker B:Same thing with Stephanie.
Speaker B:With Stephanie Kraft.
Speaker B:The level of competition was not tougher or greater or was not tougher or any less tougher.
Speaker B:It's just the level of competition that was there simply because she was also at that level.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:In the 90s, we didn't have step back threes, so I could take Kyrie Irving and drop him in the 90s, he.
Speaker B:People would think he's a witch, bro.
Speaker A:With what he was doing, with what.
Speaker B:He'S doing with a basketball now people will say he's a witch.
Speaker B:But no, the game has just evolved.
Speaker B:Am I putting Kyrie above names like Isaiah Thomas, Michael Jordan, John Stockton?
Speaker B:Am I putting him above those type of names?
Speaker B:Call Malone, Kwame, Scotty Pippen simply because Scotty Pippen can't do a step back three?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Simply because Carl Malone couldn't have that English and go up and under when he's finishing under the rim.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Is it his fault that.
Speaker A:No, it's not.
Speaker B:That didn't exist.
Speaker B:Look at, look at that layup that Jordan does where he starts from one side and then boom.
Speaker B:Dude, we have dudes doing that off the bench now.
Speaker A:Back then it was like, oh, my God.
Speaker B:Bro, when, when Steve Kerr shot threes, people were in awe.
Speaker B:Now Steph Curry is shooting threes from the parking lot from the half light, bro.
Speaker A:You literally have to guard this guy.
Speaker B:From the minute he steps off the team bus.
Speaker B:You gotta.
Speaker B:You gotta start guarding him.
Speaker B:Like, you gotta be God stiff.
Speaker B:So you see.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You can't really blame level of competition in any sport because I'm not in charge of that.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:And I'm not in control of that.
Speaker B:What I'm in control of is winning the game.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I did that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So what if the game hasn't.
Speaker B:Hasn't evolved?
Speaker B:The thing is, they're not even aware of it at that point at that time.
Speaker B:That's the highest level of tennis you could play.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And shout out to them.
Speaker B:Yeah, shout out to them.
Speaker B:Serena's still the goat, though.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no.
Speaker A:We're not arguing.
Speaker A:Not arguing.
Speaker A:I just prefer Steph's accomplishment.
Speaker A:That, that one accomplishment between all grand slabs and a gold medal in one year.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was badass.
Speaker A:And also to win every Grand Slam four times.
Speaker B:That was bad.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's badass.
Speaker A:Well, Novak, if Novak wins Roland Garros, he can do the same thing.
Speaker B:Will he, though?
Speaker A:Nah, nah, nah, nah.
Speaker B:I don't see him winning old man Novak.
Speaker A:Not even old man Novak.
Speaker A:I just think Carlos Alcaraz and Yannick Sinner, they.
Speaker A:They just badminate.
Speaker A:They've caught it.
Speaker A:They've caught up to him.
Speaker B:Because they're young.
Speaker A:No, they just caught up to him.
Speaker A:That, too.
Speaker A:Like, Novak Djokovic is playing the same way he was playing 10 years ago.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:They just caught up to him.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, at their age, the ceiling is a bit higher.
Speaker A:Yeah, the ceiling is a bit high.
Speaker A:And because they've been watching him, they've been able to adapt to his game.
Speaker B:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:Penny just dropped now.
Speaker A:They watched him.
Speaker A:They adapt to his game.
Speaker A:Like, I remember Carlos was just a.
Speaker A:A bit uncalled for when he beat Novak Djokovic in Wimbledon for the second straight year in the.
Speaker A:In the final.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I enjoyed watching that revenge for Nadal.
Speaker B:Anyway, Novak, Novak doesn't know how much you don't like him.
Speaker B:I know you respect him.
Speaker A:So, like, this is two caps.
Speaker A:There's two caps.
Speaker A:There's two caps, Right?
Speaker A:Like, as a sports fan, we throw away all emotions.
Speaker A:Like, you know, like.
Speaker A:Well, you know, you throw away all emotions.
Speaker A:I like Novak.
Speaker A:I respect Novak.
Speaker A:I am just upset at what he did to stop Nadal from winning more.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker A:But he did what he had to do.
Speaker B:He did what he had to do.
Speaker A:He did what he had to do.
Speaker A:But what I do love Novak for is beating Federer.
Speaker A:Oh, I love it.
Speaker A:Hater.
Speaker B:If Nadal could have done something about it, he would have.
Speaker A:Everybody did.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker A:He beat Novak in more Grand Slams, and Novak beat him in the Grand Slams.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:I was like, how?
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker A:But then I went to, like, counter.
Speaker A:I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker A:That's just that.
Speaker A:That's just me being.
Speaker A:That's just me being a tennis fan.
Speaker A:But I really.
Speaker A:I really.
Speaker A:I really like Novak.
Speaker A:I think he's the most mentally strong tennis player ever.
Speaker A:Because here's this guy who's come back from two sets down all the time, many times.
Speaker A:He beat Federer in Wimbledon, when.
Speaker A:Wimbledon, when he had championship points.
Speaker A:Two championship points.
Speaker A:He was about to win.
Speaker A:But Novak was like, no.
Speaker B:Who was in Wimbledon?
Speaker B:08.
Speaker B:Was that.
Speaker B:That was Nadal.
Speaker A:Nadal was fan.
Speaker A:Federer.
Speaker A:I lost that, too.
Speaker A:So he lost that, too.
Speaker A: he lost you that Djokovic in: Speaker A:Oh, well, so I like.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I really respect Novak.
Speaker A:I'm busy going through his autobiography now.
Speaker A:I'm just a big Nadal fan.
Speaker B:I couldn't tell.
Speaker A:Did you know?
Speaker B:News to me.
Speaker B:This is news to me.
Speaker A:So the most mentally strong athletes.
Speaker A:What do you think is a mentally strong athlete?
Speaker B:An athlete who.
Speaker A:In whatever individual sports, team sports, if.
Speaker B:You don't give up, you just push your body and yourself to perform to the end app to the.
Speaker B:To your absolute best.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:When you have to.
Speaker B:And if you can just.
Speaker B:If you can control everything, you have to control and not give up.
Speaker B:When anything and everything doesn't seem to be working.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That, to me, is a mentally strong athlete.
Speaker B:If you are.
Speaker B:Are down 3:1, and everyone is saying no team in the finals has ever done this, and you are playing against a team which is considered a juggernaut.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And everyone is telling you this won't happen.
Speaker B:You won't win, and you somehow managed to win the next three games just off of your skill and your will to win.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's it, bro.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So LeBron James is mentally strong.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:LeBron James is mentally strong.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:You are going?
Speaker B:Well, he grew up.
Speaker B:He grew into it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I was about to say.
Speaker A:Not always.
Speaker B:Not always.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:If you are going on a road trip and you tell your team, I don't know about you guys, but I'm only packing one suit for this game.
Speaker B:We got to win the next game.
Speaker A:Who did that?
Speaker B:Jordan.
Speaker A:Did Jordan do that?
Speaker B:Jordan.
Speaker B:In the 90s, they were going.
Speaker B:I think it was the series against Phoenix.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they had to go back to Phoenix to play two games, but they were up.
Speaker B:They were already up three.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And they had to go to Phoenix for two games, I think.
Speaker B:And Jordan said, I'm only packing one suit.
Speaker B:We're going to Phoenix to play one game.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:I'm only packing one suit.
Speaker B:And they won the championship.
Speaker B:They played one game.
Speaker B:They played one game.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:That's a level of badass, dog.
Speaker B:If you're mentally strong, you will have the flu and still drop 30.
Speaker B:And still drop 30.
Speaker A:No, you drop 40.
Speaker A:Didn't drop 40.
Speaker B:No, it was 30.
Speaker A:It was 30.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:People are exaggerating his stories now.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it was 30.
Speaker B:But that's a mentally strong athlete to me.
Speaker B:Tell me about you.
Speaker A:For me, I think a mentally strong athlete, like what you've said is they're able to come back close.
Speaker B:38.
Speaker A:38.
Speaker A:Michael Jordan is I need to watch and re.
Speaker A:Watch the Lost Stars because I was.
Speaker B:Just telling my girlfriend this afternoon that it sounds.
Speaker B:It's that time of the year.
Speaker B:Time to re.
Speaker B:Watch the last.
Speaker A:The last dance.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Time to take some things personally.
Speaker A:That's all I needed.
Speaker A:That's all I needed.
Speaker A:Like, you know what?
Speaker A:If Jordan went for therapy, he would have averaged three points.
Speaker A:I saw someone in the comments say that if he.
Speaker B:Jordan going to therapy would be therapy for his therapist.
Speaker B:Like.
Speaker B:Like, it.
Speaker B:It would just.
Speaker B:At the end of the session, Jordan would walk in, but at the end of the session, he'd be the one with the pad.
Speaker B:With the pad.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:So tell me how you want to take things personally.
Speaker B:How did talking to me make you feel?
Speaker A:So, for me, I think it's being able.
Speaker A:It's like, if you're injured and you have got zero chance of winning the game and you're still able to, like, dig down deep and just.
Speaker A:Still refuse to lose.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just refusing to lose.
Speaker A:That's a mentally strong athlete.
Speaker A:And I think mentally strong athletes will throw other people off their center, will throw their opponent off their center and be like, this guy's mentally strong, so he's coming back.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:And in doing that, it also, as Stephen A.
Speaker B:Says, you galvanize the troops.
Speaker A:You galvanized.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because then your teammates will also be like, yo, we can.
Speaker B:Especially if you're the best player on the team, then your teammates will have that feeling that we can't afford to let this dude down and we can't.
Speaker A:Lose with this guy.
Speaker B:We can't lose with this guy if he's.
Speaker B:It's that thing that they used to say that Greg Popovich used to custom Duncan out at practice all the time, because then it would make the other players realize if he's talking to Tim Duncan like this, who am I?
Speaker B:Who am I?
Speaker A:I used to custom Duncan out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:To custom out in practice.
Speaker B:Practice.
Speaker A:What's Tim Duncan's nickname?
Speaker B:The Big Fundamental.
Speaker A:The Big Fundamental.
Speaker A:The most boring NBA player ever.
Speaker B:Five rings, five rings.
Speaker B:Two MVPs because of that and two.
Speaker A:How many Finals MVPs?
Speaker B:Three.
Speaker A:Three.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Tony park and Manujin.
Speaker B:Tony park and Kawhi Leonard took the other ones.
Speaker A:Oh, did they take the other ones?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But even with that, they.
Speaker B:Once you manage to galvanize your troops, there's no beating you, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That you.
Speaker B:You have to be unstoppable.
Speaker B:And the crazy thing is you don't always have to Win?
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker A:You don't always have to win for.
Speaker B:Us just because we say you're mentally strong and all that and you have a will to win and you refuse.
Speaker B:You refuse to lose.
Speaker B:Yeah, you don't always have to win, but we will know that this dude is a winner.
Speaker B:This dude does not want to lose.
Speaker B:Because sometimes, unfortunately, the other team is just better than you.
Speaker B:Yeah, because sometimes it's team sport, not always tennis.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The other team is just better than boxing.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Alexander Usyk.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:Tyson Fury.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:He must retire.
Speaker B:And I don't tell him to retire.
Speaker B:Boxing is so toxic.
Speaker B:Boxing is toxic.
Speaker B:You get two Ls, you're washed.
Speaker A:You can knock out 38 people in a row.
Speaker B:Two Ls against an elite fighter, even.
Speaker A:It's not like he lost against Francis Nganu.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:Which he did, I think that first fight.
Speaker B:Yeah, they robbed him.
Speaker A:No, they robbed him, but, yeah, you.
Speaker B:Don'T always have to win.
Speaker B:We just have to see your will to win.
Speaker B:I'll give you a great example.
Speaker B: Y'all always say the: Speaker A:Greatest football match ever.
Speaker A:Greatest football matches ever been played.
Speaker B:What would you.
Speaker B:What do you have to say about Killian Mbappe in that game?
Speaker A:He was phenomenal.
Speaker B:He didn't want to lose, bro.
Speaker A:No, he didn't want to lose.
Speaker A:I like, like, for him, he actually could have won the final had he switched on that mentality earlier on in the match.
Speaker A:Like, where.
Speaker A:Where was all of this?
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I didn't watch the match.
Speaker A:No, no.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker B:I watched towards the end.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that's what.
Speaker A:Things were lit.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:Yes, that's.
Speaker B:I know it was.
Speaker B:That's why.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I'm so confident when I talk about it because I know for a fact Mbappe lost his mind.
Speaker B:He lost his mind because I remember.
Speaker B:I remember we were with someone I will not mention anymore.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But we were watching the game and then we had to leave the apartment and get in the Uber.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we.
Speaker B:We were streaming on a phone, and that means for like a minute and a half or two minutes from the apartment to the Uber, we won't have any Internet until I actually get in the car and actually get a stable connection.
Speaker B:We left the apartment.
Speaker B:I think it was two, one, get in the cards.
Speaker B:Two, two.
Speaker A:Oh, like.
Speaker B:Oh, like, no.
Speaker B:And Bupid didn't want to lose that game.
Speaker A:No, he didn't.
Speaker B:Even when he Won what?
Speaker B:What trophy did he win?
Speaker A:He won the Golden Boot.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You could see he wasn't satisfied with it.
Speaker A:Nah, he wasn't.
Speaker B:And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker A:And also.
Speaker A:And also the thing is, like, there's nothing more you could have asked for him.
Speaker B:You control.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You managed to control everything you could control.
Speaker A:Ah, he did everything.
Speaker B:He did everything.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker A:But unfortunately, God was like, messy's winning this one.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Because sometimes, unfortunately, no matter what you do.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You could have that will to win.
Speaker B:You could want to win and you could want to be the greatest to do it.
Speaker B:However, this is life.
Speaker B:You could do everything.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:However, unfortunately, so could your opponent.
Speaker B:Yeah, so could your opponent.
Speaker B:And it's not just so happened.
Speaker A:Is that where luck comes in sometimes?
Speaker B:That's what I was about to say.
Speaker B:That's when now you just realize some dudes are luckier than others.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No matter.
Speaker B:And this.
Speaker B:And the thing is those dudes, there aren't that many of them, the lucky ones, no matter skill and talent.
Speaker B:I see them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Patrick Mahomes is a great example.
Speaker A:Fat Pat.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Dead butt pat.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker B:I've seen dudes play the games of their life.
Speaker B:Straight, straight, straight.
Speaker B:I've seen dudes play the games of their life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And still lose to them.
Speaker B:And still lose to him.
Speaker B:You know?
Speaker B:You know, you did everything you could do.
Speaker A:Does, does that not break your spirit?
Speaker B:It should.
Speaker B:It could, but it shouldn't.
Speaker A:But so if you, but if you mentally strongly shouldn't break your spirit.
Speaker B:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker B:It shouldn't because you, you strong enough to realize it's part of the game.
Speaker B:You don't win every game.
Speaker B:You don't make every shot.
Speaker B:Mamba mentality, bro.
Speaker B:What matters is sure you're down, but are you gonna get back up?
Speaker B:I think that's what makes a mentally strong athlete, if we're being honest.
Speaker B:You have to John Cena this thing, bro.
Speaker B:Just never, never, just never give up.
Speaker B:He's on his retirement tour, by the way.
Speaker A:Yeah, he is.
Speaker A:Yes, unfortunately.
Speaker A:Did Hollywood get him?
Speaker A:Did Hollywood get him?
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, come on.
Speaker A:Oh yeah.
Speaker B: en a full time wrestler since: Speaker A:I'm talking about like after he put up.
Speaker B:After he put up naked.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Hollywood been.
Speaker B:He been.
Speaker A:Did they get him?
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:He's, he's, he's slowly change.
Speaker B:He's slowly replacing Dwayne Johnson.
Speaker B:Thank God.
Speaker B:Thank God, thank God.
Speaker B:There's always a jungle for Dwayne Johnson.
Speaker B:To film a film.
Speaker B:To film a movie.
Speaker B:Otherwise he'd be out of a job.
Speaker A:Dwayne Johnson.
Speaker A:Yeah, so.
Speaker A:But yeah, yeah, because, I mean, being able to like, because if I was Killian Mbappe, I.
Speaker A:They say he hasn't been the same football player since then because.
Speaker B:Did that game break him?
Speaker A:No, I.
Speaker A:No, I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, he still performed, but like when he joined Real Madrid recently, he started off quite slow, but he's picked up.
Speaker A:But like, you know how.
Speaker B:Just wasn't that to be.
Speaker B:Isn't that to be expected with a new team sometimes?
Speaker A:No, not always.
Speaker A:Not always.
Speaker A:Like we had this guy called Jude Bellingham.
Speaker A:He joined Real Madrid and then he started.
Speaker A:He started really going off and started winning as he joined.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah.
Speaker A:So he started scoring like 20 games, 20 goals in a season.
Speaker A:What are he adapted to team?
Speaker A:He was the team's best player as he joined it, not so much.
Speaker A:And then they said like he lost his.
Speaker A:So he sold his soul to the devil when he went to the world FIFA World cup to play like that, to play out of his mind.
Speaker A:He sold his soul to the devil?
Speaker B:No, he probably did because that boy went crazy, bro.
Speaker A:No, he went.
Speaker B:That boy went off.
Speaker A:No, no, he went crazy.
Speaker A:But then he's getting out, getting his form up.
Speaker A:I don't think he let that break him.
Speaker A:I don't think he let that break him, though.
Speaker A:So then what do you say about people who go up against someone who's like, mentally strong?
Speaker A:Do you call that melting down or do you call that you going up against another mentally strong person?
Speaker A:It's like the last time we were talking about how Nadal came back from two sets down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So a person that's 10 years younger than him and was able to win.
Speaker A:And I attributed to just like Nadal's experience because he's been in five set matches many times in his career.
Speaker A:Yeah, he's been in five set matches many times and has been able to win those type of matches.
Speaker A:And, and they were straight and open.
Speaker A:In fact, every single final that he's been in, there's been a five setter versus Daniel Medvedev, who didn't have that, that experience of being going to five sets.
Speaker A:Now the question is Nadal is mentally strong as long as one, one of the mentally strong athletes and then someone like Danil Medvedev, did he melt down or was he not mentally strong?
Speaker A:Which one is it?
Speaker A:Because it's going up against a mentally strong person.
Speaker B:It can be both.
Speaker A:Really?
Speaker B:How it can be both we don't know what a meltdown is until.
Speaker B:Thing is, you don't melt down until you do.
Speaker A:What does that mean?
Speaker B:Okay, I'm trying to find a game where I can give you a great example.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Okay, Tom Brady.
Speaker A:Let's just talk about how he came back.
Speaker B:Nah, that's not.
Speaker B:I'm trying to find.
Speaker A:That's not a meltdown.
Speaker B:Nah, bro, I'm trying to think of a serious meltdown.
Speaker B:Okay, here's a serious meltdown.
Speaker B:2018, the Houston Rockets and the Golden State warriors went all the way to seven games.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker B:That was the Houston Rockets all the way to seven games.
Speaker B:Now, the warriors were with a tougher team.
Speaker B:They were the stronger team.
Speaker B:However, one could argue that for that season, the Rockets were the better team.
Speaker B:Why, they even came out and said, this team is constructed to be beat.
Speaker B:The Warriors.
Speaker A:Oh, they said that.
Speaker B:They said that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And what happened?
Speaker B:And they lost.
Speaker B:However.
Speaker B:However, they lost because they had a.
Speaker B:They had a meltdown.
Speaker B:They couldn't buy a bucket the whole game.
Speaker B:Oh, is it the whole game?
Speaker B:They couldn't buy a bucket.
Speaker B:They missed so many threes.
Speaker B:I think they took like 30 threes and made two or three of them.
Speaker B:That's bad.
Speaker B:That's bad.
Speaker B:Now that's a meltdown.
Speaker A:That's 10% of all your shots.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Now that's a meltdown.
Speaker B:And we now look at a game like.
Speaker B:Okay, I can't think of one right now.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:But let's say, for example, we go.
Speaker B:It's the playoffs and the conference finals.
Speaker B:We got Steph versus, I don't know.
Speaker B:Give me a player.
Speaker B:Jokic.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:In the conference finals, two players who thus far, we can say both of them are mentally strong.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Would we say Steph collapsed if the warriors lost that series?
Speaker B:But Steph averaged 35 for the entire series, and he didn't get turnovers at the.
Speaker B:At the most inopportune times.
Speaker B:He did every.
Speaker B:He controlled everything he was supposed to control.
Speaker B:He did everything he was supposed to do, made the right shots, made the right plays.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Dropped 40 in game seven.
Speaker B:And yet Nikola Jokic and his team just had the edge.
Speaker B:Are we saying Steph held a meltdown or it was just two mentally strong athletes going at it?
Speaker B:Even back to the World cup didn't have a meltdown.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Messi and Argentina were just better.
Speaker A:Yeah, they were exactly.
Speaker A:They were.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:So you don't melt down until you do.
Speaker B:Until we see that dog you shot four for.
Speaker B:You shot four you shot four for 30.
Speaker B:Like, what are we doing?
Speaker B:That's a meltdown.
Speaker B:But if you just lost because you dropped 35, but this dude still won, you can't.
Speaker B:2008, Wimbledon.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:That was a back and forth.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was.
Speaker B:So I was.
Speaker B:The sun literally set that match.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:You get me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I've never.
Speaker B:Even though I didn't even know about it until recently, but thus far, the people that have told me about that match, yourself included, I have never heard not one of y'all saying either one of those dudes played a bad game.
Speaker B:No, exactly.
Speaker A:No, exactly.
Speaker B:So you don't melt down until you do.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Like, they didn't fetter.
Speaker A:Didn't melt down.
Speaker A:Adele didn't melt down or say the ass.
Speaker A:Yeah, that was.
Speaker A:That was.
Speaker A:That was the match of the century.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Federer melted down.
Speaker A:The gets federate, by the way.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker A:Federer is the tennis player I believe is the most respected.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Nadal is the most important.
Speaker A:And I need.
Speaker A:I say the most loved tennis player.
Speaker A:And that's not a bias.
Speaker A:That's just like.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:That's sentiment.
Speaker A:Okay?
Speaker A:Sentiment.
Speaker A:Novak Djokovic is probably the most hated.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:But he's the goat.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:I don't know why.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker A:They hate.
Speaker B:They hate us because.
Speaker B:Because they hate us.
Speaker B:Because they ain't us.
Speaker A:They hate us because they ain't us.
Speaker B:Because they ain't us, bro.
Speaker A:Like, I was watching a documentary on just, like, how the media just.
Speaker A:Just doesn't color this guy nicely.
Speaker A:I'm like, just because he beat your favorite players doesn't mean he's a bad person, Joe.
Speaker B:You understand?
Speaker B:Like, you understand?
Speaker A:Like, like, he's just better than that.
Speaker B:Just better, bro.
Speaker A:He's just like.
Speaker B:He's just better.
Speaker B:Like, and sometimes you don't even have to be better.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To be.
Speaker B:But you can just.
Speaker B:Just hear Doug like, he's being mentally strong.
Speaker A:He's mentally strong.
Speaker B:Things that can do.
Speaker B:Like Jimmy Butler.
Speaker A:Jimmy Buckets.
Speaker B:Look at how.
Speaker A:Why does he have pink cornrows?
Speaker A:Who's a comrade?
Speaker A:What comrade?
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:The comrade.
Speaker B:Imagine.
Speaker B:Boo.
Speaker A:Comrade.
Speaker B:What's like, I don't know, dog.
Speaker B:All I know is that he wants to leave Miami.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I guess this is him acting out.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But Jimmy Butler is a great example because Jimmy, would you even put him.
Speaker B:Top 20 players of his generation?
Speaker A:Nah.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:At no point.
Speaker A:Maybe number 21.
Speaker B:Maybe, like, at no point in time has Jimmy Butler ever been a top 10 player.
Speaker A:Nah.
Speaker B:Never, ever, ever, ever.
Speaker B:However, look at what he does in the playoffs.
Speaker B:Almost every year he does something that he elevates his play so much simply because he refuses to lose in the playoffs.
Speaker B:So it elevates his play.
Speaker B:And in doing that, the rest of the team also joins in and they just also start playing better.
Speaker B:So much so that he did that.
Speaker B:He took the Miami Heat to the finals with Gabe Vincent.
Speaker B:And Gabe Vincent couldn't miss a three point shot.
Speaker B:The Lakers are like, yeah, we need you.
Speaker B:They traded for him the very next offseason.
Speaker B:Gabe Vincent hasn't made a three of us.
Speaker B:Why?
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker A:But he's playing with LeBron, so he should be making.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker B:LeBron can't galvanize the troops like Jimmy can, I guess.
Speaker A:But I thought LeBron was mentally strong.
Speaker B:LeBron is undeniable.
Speaker A:No, no, I'm not talking about.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:He's a special case.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say he's not.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say he's actually mentally strong.
Speaker B:So I take it back, my example when I used him, he doesn't have that killer instinct.
Speaker A:All right?
Speaker A:He's not, he's not a Kobe.
Speaker B:He's not a Kobe.
Speaker B:I think with LeBron, it's just a lack of a killer instinct.
Speaker B:I don't know if that doesn't make, if that is what makes you mentally strong, but I know it plays a big role.
Speaker A:So I think, I think also being mentally strong.
Speaker A: d down against drug, which in: Speaker A:Don't lose a match you're supposed to win.
Speaker B:Never.
Speaker A:Don't lose a match you're supposed to win.
Speaker B:He was supposed to win 22 Celtics.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A: And then in: Speaker A:He lost it.
Speaker A:Where he had three match points.
Speaker A:Two match points.
Speaker A:He had two match points.
Speaker A:He still lost.
Speaker A:Two championship points and he still lost.
Speaker A:And then also against the Dell and Ronald Garros, he went and lost in straight sets.
Speaker A:Didn't even get a game in one of them.
Speaker A:You know, got like 6, 1, 6, 2.
Speaker A:He got 6.
Speaker A:Not in a final.
Speaker B:And that's.
Speaker B:And that's the goat.
Speaker A:No, he's not the goat.
Speaker A:Feder is the third greatest tennis player of all time.
Speaker B:Okay, fair enough.
Speaker A:He's number three.
Speaker B:He's not the most respected.
Speaker B:Apparently he is.
Speaker A:He is the most respected.
Speaker B:Yeah, he does have that thing about.
Speaker A:No, he's got that.
Speaker A:He's got.
Speaker A:He's Got what, What do the kids nowadays say?
Speaker B:Yeah, he's got timer aura.
Speaker B:Like he looks like a timer.
Speaker A:Oh, no.
Speaker A:And, and, and he's, he's, he's proper rich.
Speaker A:He's proper, proper rich.
Speaker A:You know, the richest tennis player is worth $2 billion.
Speaker A:But he's in.
Speaker A:He's Romanian.
Speaker A:That's thing.
Speaker A:He was a professional tennis player.
Speaker A:I don't know where he may as well.
Speaker A:But $2 billion, I think.
Speaker B:Damn.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:But like Feder out of active and just retired tennis players money.
Speaker A:Cuz he can sell things.
Speaker A:This man can sell things.
Speaker A:This man can sell things.
Speaker A:He made $600 million from a Uniqlo partnership.
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:When it comes to money and commercializing tennis.
Speaker A:Ah, that's, that's the king there.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I saw him on an ad with Trevor Noah once.
Speaker B:I don't even know what that ad was for.
Speaker A:But you understand, I was like, this.
Speaker B:Is the most random link up ever.
Speaker A:Trevor Noah is a South African.
Speaker A:He's a hustler.
Speaker B:Why you know what your p.
Speaker B:I understand, I understand.
Speaker A:Hey, Trevor, I need you on the show, man.
Speaker A:I need you on the show.
Speaker A:You're on my wall.
Speaker A:Just so you know, you're my.
Speaker B:Actually, yeah.
Speaker A:What I'm saying is that don't lose matches you're supposed to win and don't miss shots you were supposed to make.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:Because I don't think you're a mentally strong person if you are constantly.
Speaker A:Oh, you can do that, but then just make up for it, you know?
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker B:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker B:You can't just.
Speaker B:If you have a bad game today, you must.
Speaker B:Your next game.
Speaker B:Drop 40, bro.
Speaker B:Like show us that it was, it was just a bad game.
Speaker B:You don't.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna send a text that.
Speaker A:I'm recording as if you had a bad game.
Speaker A:Please be.
Speaker A:Make sure that you can come back from the bad game.
Speaker A:You know what I mean?
Speaker A:Sorry, just give you.
Speaker B:People are asking.
Speaker B:My mom is asking me, where's the remote?
Speaker A:Is that what we're.
Speaker A:Is that what we're asking here, bro?
Speaker B:She's like.
Speaker B:And now she's saying still busy.
Speaker B:Well, well, I mean, yes, but.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So like, if you have a bad game, you need to be able to come back from that and make up for it.
Speaker A:Yes, but then still in the high pressure moments.
Speaker B:In the high pressure moments.
Speaker B:I don't want to hear it.
Speaker A:You want to hear it?
Speaker B:Maybe not too much.
Speaker B:Not too much.
Speaker B:If you have a bad game, especially if it's a series type, it's a sport.
Speaker B:Like basketball, foot basketball, baseball, any of these series type sports.
Speaker B:You can have a bad series.
Speaker B:I will never allow that.
Speaker A:You can have a bad game.
Speaker B:You can have a bad game.
Speaker B:You can't have a bad series.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:However, in sports where it's just one game.
Speaker B:One game.
Speaker A:You can't have that bad game.
Speaker A:Like, just didn't show up.
Speaker B:You need to show up.
Speaker B:Or you can't.
Speaker B:It can't happen too many times.
Speaker B:Like Lamar Jackson.
Speaker A:How do I know?
Speaker A:You say it'll come up.
Speaker B:It has to.
Speaker B:It has to.
Speaker B:So I'm going to.
Speaker B:I'm going to dismiss last.
Speaker B:Last night's win, by the way.
Speaker B:Shout out, Ravens.
Speaker A:Shout out.
Speaker A:Shout out.
Speaker A:Shout out.
Speaker A:Like, I'm actually upset that the Ravens won.
Speaker A:Now, tomorrow's episode is not going to you being.
Speaker A:You being angry black man.
Speaker B:Now you don't like seeing me happy?
Speaker A:No, I don't.
Speaker A:It's so much fun.
Speaker A:Why would I want to see you happy?
Speaker A:It's so much fun.
Speaker B:Hey, so what, what was I saying?
Speaker B:What was I saying?
Speaker A:So you say.
Speaker A:You say you can't have a bad series.
Speaker B:Yes, you can't.
Speaker B:You can't afford to.
Speaker A:Like, if you're having one bad game, can you have one bad game in a final?
Speaker B:Yes, you can have one bad game.
Speaker A:Final.
Speaker A:I'm talking about the final.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:Like you have what's a one and done.
Speaker A:It's not a series here.
Speaker A:Like a World cup final if Mbappe didn't show up.
Speaker B:Oh, you can't.
Speaker B:You mean a bad final?
Speaker A:Like a final.
Speaker A:Final.
Speaker A:Final guy.
Speaker A:Like final, final, final.
Speaker B:Oh, time and place.
Speaker B:You mean to tell me you played well throughout the playoffs or the tournament?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then the most important game is when you want to throw up, put up a stinker.
Speaker B:Nah, bro.
Speaker B:Now even you should.
Speaker B:Even you should look in the mirror.
Speaker B:Like, I.
Speaker A:What's wrong with me?
Speaker A:Maybe the nerves got to you or like, so like, like the moment got to you and you just melted under the pressure.
Speaker A:Like, I don't know.
Speaker B:Even that.
Speaker B:That dismisses this whole chat, then, yeah, that.
Speaker B:That means you don't got it.
Speaker B:You don't got it.
Speaker B:Because even when you do have a meltdown, right, the greats.
Speaker B:The greats know how to utilize their meltdown or their bad games.
Speaker B:If I can tell that I'm having a bad game offensively, all right, let's see what I can do defensively, you know, if I can see that I'm not putting up points today, Let me see if I can start facilitating, help the other players put up points.
Speaker B:Let me see what I can do with regards to just my intangibles on the court, on the field, whatever.
Speaker B:Now if you are not doing any of that, be.
Speaker B:Regardless if you are on any other given day, regardless if you're the best player on that team for that game, you're a liability.
Speaker A:Ah, so I can be MVP caliber.
Speaker A:Well, that's a very bad example to use because MVPs generally don't.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker A:They don't.
Speaker A:So like, I can be MVP the entire season, then comes to crunch time, game time meltdown.
Speaker A:Then what would you rather have a person that shows up in the most important matches or a person that goes throughout the.
Speaker A:The person that picks these spots, shows up to.
Speaker B:Other.
Speaker B:Shows up in the most important matches or.
Speaker A:Or just.
Speaker A:Or just like a person that picks these spots?
Speaker A:The spots like I show up in a grand slam final, I'll show up in the play also.
Speaker A:I'll show up.
Speaker B:No, no, no.
Speaker B:Part of being great is being consistent.
Speaker A:But I'm consistently great in those moments.
Speaker B:Show up in the big game, bro.
Speaker A:You want someone to show up in the big game.
Speaker B:The big game.
Speaker B:Show up in the big game.
Speaker B:Because that's.
Speaker B:If we're being honest.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:No other game matters except the last game of the season or the last.
Speaker A:Games of the tournament or the last games of.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:The last game of the season, of the tournament.
Speaker B:That final game, the final NBA final.
Speaker B:Game seven is the Super Bowl.
Speaker B:The grand slam for whatever, that's the most important game.
Speaker B:Regardless if you've played 82 games, the end of the game, at the end of the day, the game that you have to show up for the most is that one.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, if you make it to that game, it's.
Speaker B:It's a.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:You can't have one without the other.
Speaker B:Because if you show up to that game, that means you had to play the other game.
Speaker B:And that means with the other games, you had to show up as well.
Speaker B:You had to show us why you're there and you had to win.
Speaker B:And I'm pretty sure some of those games weren't easy.
Speaker B:Some of them were tough.
Speaker B:And that's when you show yourself.
Speaker B:That's when you show that this is what I'm made of, bro.
Speaker B:Even in fighting.
Speaker B:Even in fighting, you lose, you get.
Speaker B:That's why I love UFC so much, because we're not as judgy as you boxing guys.
Speaker B:You boxing guys.
Speaker B:What do you mean one L.
Speaker B:Your career's over.
Speaker A:Like, ah.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:In ufc?
Speaker B:I'll give you a great example.
Speaker B:Charles Oliveira.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's your favorite fighter's favorite fighter.
Speaker B:He has 12 losses now.
Speaker A:12?
Speaker B:Yeah, he lost back in April.
Speaker B:He lost back in April.
Speaker A:Boxing fans of duty, you've got 12 losses.
Speaker B:All I know is that we're waiting for Charles Oliveira's championship run to start.
Speaker A:Doesn't have a championship.
Speaker B:No, no, he was.
Speaker B:He was a champ.
Speaker B:He was the champion until.
Speaker B:His story is actually quite sad.
Speaker B:Charles Oliveira was the lightweight champion.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:And he defended it about two, three times.
Speaker B:And then when he was about to defend it against Islam Makhachev.
Speaker A:There's a guy called Islam Makhachev.
Speaker B:There's a guy called Islam Makhachev.
Speaker A:Islam is L A M.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:That's the number one pound for pound fighter in the world you're talking about.
Speaker A:His name is Islam.
Speaker B:Islam Makhachev.
Speaker A:His name is, like, Islam, like the religion.
Speaker B:Islamic, Like.
Speaker B:Like Alamdula.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:But Charles.
Speaker B:When Charles Oliveira was supposed to fight, he didn't make weight, and they stripped him of his title.
Speaker B:And that's the last time Charles Oliveira was in it.
Speaker B:That's the last time Charles Oliveira was champion.
Speaker B:That was 20, 22.
Speaker A:Three years back.
Speaker B:Three years back.
Speaker B:But we're still waiting for the time for the title run to start.
Speaker B:It's coming.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:So how is he.
Speaker A:How is he mentally strong?
Speaker A:I was.
Speaker B:If you lose a match, you lose a fight.
Speaker B:Combat sports is nice because of that.
Speaker B:You lose a fight, and the next fight is the fight of your life.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:As it should be.
Speaker B:Because if you lose, it's chai.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And if you lose back to back fights, then we start looking at you weird because nobody.
Speaker B:Everybody loves a good redemption story.
Speaker A:No, we do.
Speaker A:We do.
Speaker B:So you got to redeem yourself.
Speaker A:All right, cool.
Speaker A:First.
Speaker A:All right, so we're gonna finish.
Speaker A:List of your top five submittally strong athletes.
Speaker B:Is this gonna.
Speaker B:Just gonna do the thing where you cut and then.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:It'll still fade out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Back.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So the list of your.
Speaker B:Your.
Speaker A:The most mentally strong athletes for you.
Speaker B:Kobe.
Speaker A:Kobe.
Speaker A:Mamba mentality.
Speaker B:How did we go through this entire episode without bringing up the words Mamba mentality?
Speaker A:You did.
Speaker A:We did.
Speaker B:We did.
Speaker A:Yeah, we did.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Kobe.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Jordan.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Kobe over Jordan.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:Six, zero versus seven and five.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It's a mamarali.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I wouldn't do off Joe George Foreman.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:That was good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Damn, this is tough.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Mentally strong athletes.
Speaker A:Not the greatest athletes.
Speaker B:Tiger Woods.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker B:Tiger Woods.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker B:You almost.
Speaker A:He almost died.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's gonna sound weird, but Francis Ngannou.
Speaker A:Francis Ngannou.
Speaker B:Francis.
Speaker A:After he got folded like a wallet.
Speaker B:And then he came back and won the PFL heavyweight championship.
Speaker B:Dude.
Speaker B:There's a brother who was shoveling sand and then he fought his way and I don't know how he got to France.
Speaker B:Apparently he was in the back of a truck, holding on until they had to get over waters.
Speaker B:I don't know, bro, but wow, bro.
Speaker B:Damn near slavery.
Speaker B:Damn near escaped slavery, bro.
Speaker B:Went to France at the age of 24.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Started training.
Speaker B:Excuse me.
Speaker B:Joined the MMA world relatively late.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Became a heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker B:Got ostracized by the industry and the UFC because they were like, he's being selfish and greedy.
Speaker B:Fine.
Speaker B:But he got blackballed by the biggest promotion in the industry.
Speaker B:He didn't let that break him.
Speaker B:Instead, he moved on to boxing, where he became a success, relatively speaking.
Speaker B:And he built.
Speaker B:He built his cachet and now joined another promotion.
Speaker B:And after less than a year after losing, his son becomes the PFL heavyweight champion of the world.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I think that's just a great story of just the sheer will and determination and.
Speaker B:Yeah, just his sheer will and determination from.
Speaker B:From that story.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:He has to go on my list.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:He has to go on my list.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Ganu Woods.
Speaker B:Jordan Ali.
Speaker B:Kobe Bean.
Speaker A:Kobe Bean.
Speaker A:Brian.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Yeah, I would also say Kobe.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Ronnie Coleman.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Everybody wants to be a party.
Speaker B:Oh, I forgot that's technically, you know, athletics.
Speaker B:He's an athlete.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:I would still call him basically strong.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like to lift all those kinds of weights and to become the greatest bodybuilder ever.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:After losing every single year for such a long time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Because he lost Mr.
Speaker B:Olympia for years.
Speaker A:His first Olympia.
Speaker A:He was dead last.
Speaker A:Like, dead dead dead, dead last, bro.
Speaker B:So everybody want to be a bodybuilder.
Speaker A:Nobody want to lift heavy ass weights.
Speaker A:Every time I put.
Speaker A:I put him on at the gym, I know it's going to be.
Speaker A:It's going to be so mamba.
Speaker A:Ronnie Coleman.
Speaker A:Tiger Woods.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, no, Tiger woods is druffing on the D's favorite athlete.
Speaker A:So imagine.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Even after that whole thing, they tried.
Speaker B:Can we talk about how the world tried to get us to cancel Tiger woods because he was getting bumps.
Speaker A:Now, Committing adultery.
Speaker B:I'm not saying he should have cheated on his wife.
Speaker B:But do we really cancel a man's whole career for cheating on his wife, bro?
Speaker B:It's not like he came out and said the N word and said some.
Speaker B:And said some.
Speaker A:Blast.
Speaker A:I think so.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't.
Speaker B:Is it because he was a role model?
Speaker A:And I.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:I don't condone his behavior.
Speaker B:No, no, no, no.
Speaker B:Once again, nothing.
Speaker A:I don't condone his behavior, but I don't think that's worth cancellation.
Speaker A:It's worth you losing some endorsements here and there.
Speaker A:Nah.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, because I'm like, if I'm Nike, I'm like, I'm promoting a certain value set.
Speaker A:Yeah, you're going against that value set.
Speaker A:I can't endorse you.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's just business.
Speaker B:Like, if I'm promoting.
Speaker B:I don't know, man.
Speaker B:You see that company that makes those stickers that you put on the back of your car with the mom and the dad and the kids?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Now, if you find out you're cheating on your wife.
Speaker A:To cancer, Tiger Woods.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I don't know what the actual story is.
Speaker A:There is Dr.
Speaker A:Uma Infortune that's probably got his own take there.
Speaker B:Hey, Fortune's got takes on everything.
Speaker A:I know they're fine, but I'm like, I think that's a bit hypocritical for people to want to cancel the man for doing what he did when presidents.
Speaker A:I have done the same thing.
Speaker B:Did not.
Speaker B:He did not have sexual relations.
Speaker A:So he.
Speaker A:So he says, where presidents are being accused of doing the same thing.
Speaker A:Athletes have been accused of doing the same thing, but didn't try to cancel him the way they did.
Speaker B:How y'all think Magic Johnson got aids?
Speaker A:Ah, don't do that.
Speaker A:Oh, come on, come on, come on.
Speaker B:I just don't like what they did to Tiger, bro.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker B:I don't like it.
Speaker A:No, I think it's.
Speaker A:I think you see, if he was.
Speaker B:A horrible human being.
Speaker B:And I'm not saying he's a great guy.
Speaker A:Yeah, what he did.
Speaker A:What he did was quite scandalous.
Speaker A:But I don't think they took it overboard, given the precedent that they set with all.
Speaker A:All the other athletes, public figures, celebrities, presidents who have been accused of doing, pastors who accused of doing exactly the same thing.
Speaker A:They didn't cancel him like that.
Speaker B:You know, why must Tiger.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:There's something there.
Speaker B:I'm saying, like, is it because he's a role model?
Speaker B:Like, but everyone.
Speaker B:Everyone who's famous as a role model to something.
Speaker A:So whether you're good or a bad one, I don't know.
Speaker A:Let's do research and let's like uncover what happened to.
Speaker B:Yeah, cuz.
Speaker A:Nah, you are part upset about that.
Speaker A:Okay, bro, so I've got Kobe.
Speaker A:I've got.
Speaker B:Even.
Speaker A:Even Kobe committed adultery, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, he had a whole case, bro.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you didn't cancel him.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And if anything, he's more revered now.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker B:Bro, bro, Kobe had a case.
Speaker B:Kobe.
Speaker A:So Kobe, Ronnie Coleman, Tiger Woods.
Speaker B:According to Amen.
Speaker B:At least Tiger took it to Asia.
Speaker A:Djokovic, Nadal.
Speaker B:Ah, come on, switch it up, dog.
Speaker A:Okay, let me.
Speaker A:Let me put Nadal.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:And then football.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Lionel Messi.
Speaker A:Because everything went through with Argentina.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because he once retired and he was.
Speaker A:They were being.
Speaker A:And you know, through how football fans are.
Speaker A:Soccer fans.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Will kill you.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So I think those are like some mate.
Speaker A:There's.
Speaker A:There's a lot more mentally strong.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker B:Just listing that.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:All right, so we're at a time.
Speaker A:We're at a time.
Speaker A:But this was a good chat.
Speaker A:That's also a good chat.
Speaker A:Now we need to go be mentally strong in the workplaces and the team members.
Speaker A:Even though we're going through tough times don't last, but tough people do.
Speaker A:Remember that success is a progressive realization of a way that deal that means you're going after what you've always wanted to go after.
Speaker A:Because aligned with your highest values.
Speaker A:That's only way that you can live a truly fulfilled and inspired life.
Speaker A:Learn from the examples of all the athletes that we've been talking about to go out there and be mentally strong.
Speaker A:Because the world we live in is tough.
Speaker A:So we need to put our helmets on and be as mentally strong as possible.
Speaker A:Rafa Nal we're going to be missing the Australian Open nova for number 25, baby.
Speaker A:And that's me and Mukun signing out.
Speaker A:Thank you very much, brother Justice.
Speaker A:Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.
Speaker A:I'm going to show you how great I am.
