Bishop Honest Ncube - Conversations on The Journey of A Thousand Miles and The Battle For The Soul

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast where we talk about success.

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And remember that the theme of the show is that success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.

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That means you're going after what you've always wanted to go after because it's aligned with your highest values.

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And that is the only way for you to live a truly fulfilled, inspired and successful life.

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On the show we talk with people from all walks of life, from business, entertainment, religious proclivities, and on the show today we've got a good friend of mine.

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We haven't seen each other in a while, but he's still a good friend of mine.

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We met each other through the greatest communication leadership organization, world Toastmasters International, and we were in the same club together, I believe.

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Yeah, we were in the same club together.

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He's a dynamic speaker, this guy.

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Don't talk to him nicely, talk to him nicely.

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And he is a proud author.

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And out of respect I am going to refer to him as the bishop.

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You know, out of respect, I don't want to bring spiritual protocol.

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He is the bishop and he's the author of a Journey of a Thousand Miles, battle for your soul.

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And so I wonder.

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I'll read the back of the book.

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And so this spiritually provocative and yet intellectually stimulating book titled the Journey of a Thousand Miles, unpacks the revelation that life is a journey whose destiny most people are uncertain of.

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Every Christian is on a journey of faith, and just like any other journey, it may be rough and despairing, yet its destination is blissful.

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The journey starts with a single step and branches out into tiny journeys which eventually join up to give meaning to the overall picture.

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This book is written to warn the Christian who wants to walk in greater purity.

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It brims with provocative insights that there is a real enemy out there who wants to stop you from becoming an effective Christian, thereby undermining the work and purpose of your salvation.

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It gives us a fresh breath of understanding that the Christian must arise and be an active participant against deceit by projecting the truth and renouncing the lie.

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As a prolific author and an impeccable teacher of God's word, Bishop honest nube presents practical and effective strategies on how christians can overcome obstacles in their journey of faith.

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The book is jam packed with thought provoking revelations and superbly articulated narratives about the journey of christian faith.

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The author demonstrates incredible storytelling abilities in which he uses practical examples of real life experiences he has gone through in order to solidify your understanding of spiritual realities.

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It's not a game, people.

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It's not a game out there.

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It's not a game.

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Therefore, this book is a clarion call for every Christian in journey of faith to step out of the convictions of ordinary life of complacency, go beyond the elementary truths of the gospel, and move on to the fullness of God.

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The incredible, inspiring, hard to get revelations encapsulated in this book are set to revolutionize your life forever.

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So, Bishop honest Nube is an apostle of God who is the presiding bishop of Victory Redeemed church.

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He is husband to Chanel Hotazo Ngube and has been blessed with two beautiful girls, Kayla and Amelia.

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Bishop H.

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Is, as he is commonly known.

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Bishop H.

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I'm calling you Bishop H.

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From now on, is a public speaker, facilitator, life coach and mentor.

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He has taken leadership roles in various organizations such as toastmasters, BGYA, Thorntree, Humble Harry's Afrimat College, Cosmo City, church, Forum, police, DIA, Cosmo City, and has been on SABC as a motivational speaker on various radio stations.

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He is also the creator and founder of the program called shape your youth destiny that has seen dozens of youth being transformed in the area of identity and entrepreneurship.

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Bishop H.

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Is a visionary who is relentless to transform Africa and the world, to embrace Christ and his kingdom, and to help people to become active participants in global transformation.

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All right, thank you very much for being on the show.

Bishop H: 00:05:38

Bishop H.

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Pleasure to have a mouthful.

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It's a mouthful, but I can guarantee you that everything that we just read is 100% correct.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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So thank you very much for making the time.

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We haven't seen each other in a while, but I thought.

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But I still have been following you and your stories and the way what you've been doing within you, within the faith and the church, and it's very inspiring.

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So God bless you and keep strengthening you in the walk.

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So if you can just give us a outside of the plural authority of information that you've gone from the book, just give us your take on who is Bishop H.

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And what is his definition of what makes a person successful?

Bishop H: 00:06:19

Okay, so thank you.

Bishop H: 00:06:20

Thank you for having me.

Bishop H: 00:06:22

Like you said, it's been a minute.

Bishop H: 00:06:24

Yeah, I was slightly slim at the last.

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Work in progress.

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Work in progress.

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Don't worry, we accept everybody here.

Bishop H: 00:06:34

Look at that.

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My insecurities being the first things to come out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:06:38

So, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:06:39

So who is Bishop edge and my definition of success?

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And let me just start off with my definition of success for me, being a thinker, and I think a lot of people in our generations can classify themselves as think.

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I would really think stuff.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:06:56

And what I can hone it down to is maybe success is achieving purpose.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:07:04

And.

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And that's a big word or.

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Yeah, I think it's a massive word.

Bishop H: 00:07:07

It's opening a whole can of.

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Of worms.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:07:11

But I think success for me, it's achieving that purpose.

Bishop H: 00:07:16

If I look at my life and.

Bishop H: 00:07:18

And I consider myself successful in so many areas.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:07:21

And.

Bishop H: 00:07:21

And one of those is being able to love my wife.

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Yes.

Bishop H: 00:07:24

You know, and.

Bishop H: 00:07:25

And for me, yes.

Bishop H: 00:07:29

That's a big thing.

Bishop H: 00:07:30

My wife, I love my kids and I love the people around me.

Bishop H: 00:07:36

And for me, that's success, to be able to live a life like that.

Bishop H: 00:07:42

Obviously, the other things that are things, they kind of help me to achieve that success when I'm able to take care of my kids and all that.

Bishop H: 00:07:52

So the reason I started off with that is because I believe that best defines who I am.

Bishop H: 00:07:59

I believe I'm a.

Bishop H: 00:08:00

I'm a guy from the hood.

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From the hood, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:02

From the hood.

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Which hood you from?

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Which hood you from?

Bishop H: 00:08:05

So, yeah, basically there's a place called Scott polar.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:11

And it's gone now.

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It was a squatter camp.

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And that's where basically I kind of started my.

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My life as I could start to understand what life is all about.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:21

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:21

But just to cut a long story short.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:26

For me, I think I'm a guy who's here to help others find their light.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:31

And that's my life purpose and mission.

Bishop H: 00:08:35

I think a lot of wonderful people out there have deemed their lives for whatever reason, and the world is not as bright because I think we can all agree that the world is not really a very bright place.

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No, not particularly.

Bishop H: 00:08:50

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:08:51

So.

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And the reason for that, I think, is because a lot of us are not allowing our light to shine.

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And when our light shines, I think the world is going to become a better place.

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No, 100%.

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So what do you think?

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People are afraid to let their light shine.

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What is the biggest reason that people are saying, you know what, my light is not going to shine.

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I'm going to dim it.

Bishop H: 00:09:14

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:09:15

I think it's a lot of factors, the main ones really bordering on the lines of identity.

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Identity.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:09:21

Of knowing who you really are.

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And obviously we're living in an intellectual community.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:09:28

And we all have ideas out there.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:09:31

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:09:31

We've all put our ideas out there.

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And I often joke about this.

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I say, you've got to have an idea that can compete well in the marketplace of ideas, 100%.

Bishop H: 00:09:44

And that's not necessarily a bad thing that we've got so many ideas.

Bishop H: 00:09:47

I'm not an advocate to say, oh, let's shut down all these ideas.

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Sure, sure.

Bishop H: 00:09:52

I think they need to have fair competition so that we can see maybe which one is dominant and maybe which one is more real and which one is not so real.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:10:02

So for me it's an issue of identity.

Bishop H: 00:10:05

And that identity is informed obviously by the world and the culture around us.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:10:10

Sadly enough, in as much as the current era that we are in, supports such freedom of everything and so many things.

Bishop H: 00:10:22

Which is a good thing.

Bishop H: 00:10:23

Which is a good thing.

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But the downside of it is the fact that it wants to tell you who you should be.

Bishop H: 00:10:33

And sometimes it even advocates to say you can decide who you want to be.

Bishop H: 00:10:38

Yeah, and that's a big word and that's a big statement that you can decide because it kind of cancels out that maybe you are created for a purpose.

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Yes.

Bishop H: 00:10:49

Maybe you've got a path and a part to play.

Bishop H: 00:10:52

It's like getting into a soccer field.

Bishop H: 00:10:55

You like football?

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:10:56

Getting into football field and you say, hey, you can play whatever number and position that you want.

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That's not very bad idea.

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That's a very bad idea.

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Very bad idea.

Bishop H: 00:11:09

And the weird part is that you can, you can and you have the ability.

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But should I.

Bishop H: 00:11:16

Is it for the greater good?

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:11:18

Is it for the greater good for me to actually go there and say, I'm gonna play whatever number that makes me happy, so.

Bishop H: 00:11:26

Oh, I can learn to be happy with the number that's going to give the greatest benefit not only to me.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:11:33

But to the rest of society 100%.

Bishop H: 00:11:35

So I think it really goes on the, on the, on identity.

Bishop H: 00:11:40

And maybe that's, that's the reason I've, reason I've written that book there.

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Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:11:44

A thousand miles.

Bishop H: 00:11:45

And, and I come from a.

Bishop H: 00:11:48

And religion is a big thing, you know.

Bishop H: 00:11:50

Yeah, religion is a big thing.

Bishop H: 00:11:51

Still, one of the biggest maybe ideologies that is, obviously it's competes with things like capitalism.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:12:00

Communism and all those ideas that are out there.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:12:04

However, it still has a footprint.

Bishop H: 00:12:07

And I've come from kind of different religions.

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Oh, wow, that's interesting.

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Tell us, tell us.

Bishop H: 00:12:16

There's some weird things out there.

Bishop H: 00:12:18

So I don't even know if it's safe for people to hear things like that.

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Is it true that there's a church of the flying spaghetti monster?

Bishop H: 00:12:27

The church of Shrek and his beloved.

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Wow.

Bishop H: 00:12:34

So that's the beauty of our day and age, really.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:12:38

But I can share a little bit.

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Just a little bit.

Bishop H: 00:12:41

What, you're putting any names?

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Whatever you're comfortable with, bishop.

Bishop H: 00:12:44

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:12:44

So my journey of faith started off.

Bishop H: 00:12:48

I remember when I was quite young, and it started off with.

Bishop H: 00:12:54

I remember my granny, and my granny is a staunch, dedicated Lutheran.

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Lutheran.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:13:04

So that's where I used to go.

Bishop H: 00:13:05

And I was very young, so I don't really remember much.

Bishop H: 00:13:09

I remember that the singing was amazing.

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Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:12

And then at one point, my parents, I think they.

Bishop H: 00:13:16

They went to some form of church.

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Some form of church.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:13:24

And it's quite common in most, I think, southern african countries.

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Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:31

And the church kind of wears these blue or red or whatever kind of garments on.

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Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:39

And they play drums.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:13:41

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:42

And they carry sticks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:44

So I'm not mentioning any names.

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No.

Bishop H: 00:13:47

Want to do that?

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Cancel him.

Bishop H: 00:13:53

I don't want to do that.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:54

I still value my life.

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Sure.

Bishop H: 00:13:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:13:59

So, yeah, we went there, and they're quite popular, so they do kind of exorcisms of things.

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Oh, wow.

Bishop H: 00:14:07

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:14:08

So they'll tell you there's something in your homestead, it looks like.

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Sounds like a prophetic church.

Bishop H: 00:14:14

Yeah, it is prophetic.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:14:17

Gain, depending on your definition of prophetic.

Bishop H: 00:14:20

So.

Bishop H: 00:14:21

And, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:14:22

So I went to that church, and.

Bishop H: 00:14:26

Lovely, this young person, you know, you love the music.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:14:29

You don't really see the problems around anything.

Bishop H: 00:14:31

You just go there now.

Bishop H: 00:14:33

There's this great music, and so I'm enjoying it.

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Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:14:40

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:14:40

So, yeah, time goes.

Bishop H: 00:14:42

And my parents really moved around, and my mom was a teacher.

Bishop H: 00:14:47

At one point, she felt really sick.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:14:50

Very sick.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:14:51

And she consulted a prophet again.

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Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:14:57

And this guy came with this short, you know, knob, Kerry kind of thingy.

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Oh, wow.

Bishop H: 00:15:03

And he did the most weird thing and goes to my mom and sticks that thing on her tummy and starts pulling out.

Bishop H: 00:15:12

And my mother's, like, groaning and she's crying, and I'm there, and I'm petrified.

Bishop H: 00:15:17

I'm still young there.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:15:19

And pulls out these Mopani worms, really directly from the surface of the stomach.

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This sounds unbelievable.

Bishop H: 00:15:28

I promise.

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This sounds unbelievable.

Bishop H: 00:15:31

I'm telling you, MJ.

Bishop H: 00:15:34

I'm telling you.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:15:35

Weirdest experience ever.

Bishop H: 00:15:37

And I don't know if it was magic or whatever was going on there, but surprisingly, my mother recovers.

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Oh, wow.

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Okay.

Bishop H: 00:15:44

From, like, this.

Bishop H: 00:15:45

And it turns out that the guy says, no, there's a fellow teacher who gave you Mopani worms.

Bishop H: 00:15:51

Which, yes, he had Mapani worms from a fellow teacher.

Bishop H: 00:15:54

And that's the person who was bewitching you.

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Aha.

Host: 00:15:56

Okay.

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Standard procedure.

Bishop H: 00:15:57

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:15:58

Standard procedure.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:15:59

So the thing.

Bishop H: 00:16:01

I can't remember the rest of the details.

Bishop H: 00:16:02

As young as I was, the only petrifying thing was that that's what I kind of locked into my memory.

Bishop H: 00:16:09

So, yeah, so this is the things I'm being exposed to when I'm growing up.

Bishop H: 00:16:14

And.

Bishop H: 00:16:14

And at one point, then I didn't stop going to church altogether.

Guest: 00:16:19

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:16:21

Then my father got sick.

Guest: 00:16:22

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:16:23

And my dad got sick, and.

Bishop H: 00:16:25

And his guy's not okay.

Bishop H: 00:16:27

And then I remember one day he sits down with the whole family and says, guys, I want us to make a big decision as a family.

Guest: 00:16:34

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:16:34

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:16:35

Which was quite a strange, because that's deep.

Host: 00:16:38

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:16:38

No, he didn't consult anybody concerning staff.

Bishop H: 00:16:41

You know, I think maybe him and mama.

Host: 00:16:43

I was expecting a follow up.

Bishop H: 00:16:46

Nah, nah, not yet.

Host: 00:16:48

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:16:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:16:48

So it's coming.

Bishop H: 00:16:49

It's coming.

Bishop H: 00:16:50

So he sits down and.

Bishop H: 00:16:51

And he says, we're gonna make a big decision.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:16:53

We need to go to church.

Bishop H: 00:16:55

And.

Bishop H: 00:16:56

And there's two kinds of churches.

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Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:16:58

And one of them, I can't say the names, but.

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Don't say the names.

Bishop H: 00:17:01

Yeah, there's two of them.

Guest: 00:17:03

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:17:03

And he says, either we go this way or this way.

Guest: 00:17:05

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:17:05

This other one who kind of wins the battle in that debacle thing that's going on because it was his friend's church.

Guest: 00:17:14

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:17:14

And we got there, and in this church, the God is literally a human being.

Host: 00:17:18

Really?

Bishop H: 00:17:19

Yes.

Host: 00:17:21

Wow.

Bishop H: 00:17:21

I promise you.

Host: 00:17:22

Why do I sound surprised?

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This happens all the time.

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Like, literally, any God is a human being.

Bishop H: 00:17:27

Flesh, just like you and me is like a human.

Host: 00:17:30

So like you, there's your God.

Bishop H: 00:17:31

Yes, there's your God.

Bishop H: 00:17:32

And you can say, hi, God, and how are you?

Bishop H: 00:17:33

Shake your hand, give you a hug and all that stuff.

Host: 00:17:36

Why am I laughing?

Bishop H: 00:17:37

But anyway, and in that story, man, and that story, they will tell you, obviously, the history of how the guy becomes God, okay?

Bishop H: 00:17:46

And this amazing light coming from somewhere and lands on him.

Bishop H: 00:17:51

And he's God all of a sudden.

Host: 00:17:52

So you can see him, like, see him?

Bishop H: 00:17:54

No, he's a human being.

Bishop H: 00:17:55

He goes to the toilet like you and me.

Bishop H: 00:17:58

He's like a human being.

Host: 00:17:59

I don't want a God that goes to the bathroom.

Host: 00:18:02

Exactly.

Bishop H: 00:18:04

Checked back, then, separate bathroom, things going on.

Bishop H: 00:18:08

That's why.

Bishop H: 00:18:10

And he's God.

Bishop H: 00:18:10

And surprisingly enough, he teaches good morals.

Guest: 00:18:14

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:18:15

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:18:15

Like the Ten Commandments.

Bishop H: 00:18:17

Kind of thing.

Guest: 00:18:17

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:18:18

And you've got to be good.

Bishop H: 00:18:19

And what.

Bishop H: 00:18:20

But you.

Bishop H: 00:18:21

He's got to be your God.

Bishop H: 00:18:22

He's your God.

Host: 00:18:23

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:18:23

And at that church, they used to even have this practice whereby every.

Bishop H: 00:18:28

Every year.

Guest: 00:18:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:18:31

Young boys, young girls, they would go and meet and they would check if you're still a virgin.

Bishop H: 00:18:36

Okay, dude, your face is not really helping you, NJ.

Host: 00:18:41

Because I'm so confused as to.

Host: 00:18:43

Why is that a practice?

Host: 00:18:50

Why is that a practice?

Bishop H: 00:18:51

Come on, catch up, man.

Host: 00:18:53

Catch up.

Bishop H: 00:18:56

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:18:56

So we used to go there every single year in August.

Bishop H: 00:19:00

And.

Bishop H: 00:19:01

And it's still there.

Bishop H: 00:19:02

The church is still there.

Bishop H: 00:19:02

It's big.

Bishop H: 00:19:03

It's massive.

Host: 00:19:04

Is it massive?

Host: 00:19:05

So it's a basic.

Bishop H: 00:19:06

It's a mega church, right?

Bishop H: 00:19:07

Yeah.

Host: 00:19:07

More than: 2000

Bishop H: 00:19:08

It's an international.

Bishop H: 00:19:10

It's a massive church.

Guest: 00:19:11

Okay, okay, okay.

Bishop H: 00:19:12

So.

Bishop H: 00:19:13

So we go there, and.

Bishop H: 00:19:14

And.

Bishop H: 00:19:15

And every year would go there, and they would give you this belt thingy to celebrate that you're still a virgin.

Host: 00:19:21

What happens if you're not?

Bishop H: 00:19:23

Well, you're not part of the parade, so everybody kind of knows that, hey, this person was.

Bishop H: 00:19:30

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:19:30

You're gonna get a bit of short lived.

Bishop H: 00:19:35

I freaked out every single time because I don't know the criteria, what they're really looking at.

Bishop H: 00:19:40

So you're freaking out that maybe if they get it wrong and all that, but, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:19:45

Did help in the sense that we.

Bishop H: 00:19:47

We could never fool around.

Host: 00:19:49

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:19:49

Yeah.

Host: 00:19:50

Well, that helps there.

Guest: 00:19:51

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:19:52

Now, most of these religions have some benefit.

Bishop H: 00:19:56

In fact, you can look at.

Bishop H: 00:19:58

And that's why people go there.

Bishop H: 00:19:59

It's not that they're stupid or anything.

Bishop H: 00:20:01

They go there because there's some tangible benefit that they get from it.

Bishop H: 00:20:05

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:20:06

So, yeah, so, as a result, I was a virgin for a very long time, which.

Guest: 00:20:11

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:20:12

Anyways, after that, sadly, my father passed on, and then my mother went to an apostolic church.

Bishop H: 00:20:19

In terms of traditional apostolic white garment.

Host: 00:20:24

What?

Host: 00:20:24

They find an apostolic church.

Host: 00:20:25

I've heard the term so many times, but I can't.

Host: 00:20:28

If someone was asked me, what's an apostolic church?

Host: 00:20:31

I can't necessarily tell them, well, just.

Bishop H: 00:20:34

To keep you on the safe side, because you're my friend.

Bishop H: 00:20:36

Just keep you on the safe side.

Bishop H: 00:20:38

It depends on where you are.

Guest: 00:20:39

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:20:40

Generally, if you're in Africa, when we're calling.

Bishop H: 00:20:42

When talking about an apostolic church, we're talking about white garments.

Bishop H: 00:20:47

Go up the mountain.

Host: 00:20:48

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Guest: 00:20:51

All right.

Bishop H: 00:20:51

So that's what we're talking about.

Host: 00:20:53

Okay.

Guest: 00:20:53

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:20:54

Use water and what.

Bishop H: 00:20:55

And then when you're talking about a Zion church.

Guest: 00:20:57

Yeah, yeah, we.

Bishop H: 00:20:58

It's almost similar, just that the others don't go purely white.

Guest: 00:21:02

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:21:03

They.

Host: 00:21:03

Some green.

Bishop H: 00:21:04

Green.

Bishop H: 00:21:05

And one star.

Bishop H: 00:21:07

One star.

Bishop H: 00:21:07

And they've got a papa.

Bishop H: 00:21:08

Papapa.

Bishop H: 00:21:09

No, no, no.

Bishop H: 00:21:10

Nothing.

Bishop H: 00:21:11

The zion you're thinking of.

Guest: 00:21:12

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:21:12

No, no, no.

Bishop H: 00:21:13

That's.

Bishop H: 00:21:14

That's.

Bishop H: 00:21:14

That's another.

Bishop H: 00:21:15

Another genre altogether.

Host: 00:21:18

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:21:19

So that's the apostolic church.

Bishop H: 00:21:22

But then there's what.

Bishop H: 00:21:23

The traditional apostolic church.

Host: 00:21:25

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:21:25

And traditional apostolic churches don't have garments.

Bishop H: 00:21:28

They pretty much.

Bishop H: 00:21:29

They suit up.

Bishop H: 00:21:30

They're.

Bishop H: 00:21:30

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:21:31

And I'm sorry to use the word, okay.

Bishop H: 00:21:33

I'm not judging anybody here, but they.

Bishop H: 00:21:35

They suit up and.

Bishop H: 00:21:37

And they don't do music and.

Host: 00:21:41

Yeah, it's quite.

Bishop H: 00:21:42

It's.

Bishop H: 00:21:43

Yeah, it's got.

Bishop H: 00:21:43

The vibe is quite good.

Host: 00:21:44

Sounds like a vibe.

Bishop H: 00:21:45

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:21:46

So just that coming back to my story.

Guest: 00:21:48

Yes, sir.

Bishop H: 00:21:50

So, yeah, so we go.

Bishop H: 00:21:51

And.

Bishop H: 00:21:51

And.

Bishop H: 00:21:52

And so my father passed.

Bishop H: 00:21:54

Passes on.

Guest: 00:21:55

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:21:57

And.

Bishop H: 00:21:58

No, mom goes.

Bishop H: 00:22:00

Finds work somewhere else.

Bishop H: 00:22:01

I'm still young, my little sister, and I'm staying in the house.

Guest: 00:22:03

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:22:04

Massive house that my father had built.

Host: 00:22:05

A.

Bishop H: 00:22:06

And.

Bishop H: 00:22:06

And stop going to church.

Bishop H: 00:22:08

And then my mom goes to this white garment.

Bishop H: 00:22:10

Churches, they give you stones and water.

Guest: 00:22:13

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:22:14

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:22:14

For good luck and whatever.

Guest: 00:22:15

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:22:17

And, okay, so when you go to that kind of church, you're no longer allowed back into the other church.

Guest: 00:22:22

Okay.

Host: 00:22:22

Of course.

Host: 00:22:23

It's standard procedure.

Bishop H: 00:22:25

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:22:25

You have.

Bishop H: 00:22:26

You have excluded yourself.

Host: 00:22:28

Like, even if you're like, okay, I made a mistake.

Bishop H: 00:22:30

Yeah, no, no, there's no mistakes on that one.

Host: 00:22:33

That is harsh.

Host: 00:22:34

That is harsh.

Guest: 00:22:35

Wow.

Bishop H: 00:22:36

So that's how we ended up outside of that church.

Guest: 00:22:39

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:22:40

And.

Bishop H: 00:22:41

Yeah, so there was no church for a while, and.

Bishop H: 00:22:44

And then my friend.

Bishop H: 00:22:46

My friend took me to this church, and.

Bishop H: 00:22:49

And it was also a white garment church, but quite a little bit different from the apostolic ones.

Guest: 00:22:53

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:22:54

And I got there, and, dude, I was so mesmerized.

Bishop H: 00:22:57

I go there and there's this guy, and he's just arrived.

Guest: 00:23:01

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:23:02

And he starts to.

Bishop H: 00:23:04

To prophesy to people.

Guest: 00:23:05

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:23:06

Telling them their names, their addresses and all that.

Bishop H: 00:23:12

I was like, what the heck?

Bishop H: 00:23:13

And for me, I wasn't really into the God thing at that moment.

Guest: 00:23:16

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:23:17

Yeah, I hear this God, and after.

Host: 00:23:20

All the church you've been exposed to.

Bishop H: 00:23:21

No, no, it was just fun.

Host: 00:23:24

It was just vibes.

Bishop H: 00:23:25

Vibes.

Bishop H: 00:23:26

Love the music.

Bishop H: 00:23:28

Love hanging out.

Guest: 00:23:29

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:23:30

But the God thing was not really.

Host: 00:23:32

Was not your thing.

Bishop H: 00:23:33

No.

Bishop H: 00:23:34

I think somewhere in.

Bishop H: 00:23:35

Somewhere there, there was some form of ancestral worship that I done as well.

Guest: 00:23:39

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:23:39

Because that has kind of come standard.

Guest: 00:23:41

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:23:42

In many african homes.

Host: 00:23:43

Hundred percent.

Bishop H: 00:23:44

That just comes standard.

Bishop H: 00:23:45

You don't question that.

Bishop H: 00:23:45

Standard procedures and your elders.

Guest: 00:23:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:23:49

Anyways, and so I got to that church, and that thing really touched me.

Bishop H: 00:23:53

I was like, wow, there must be a thing to this God thingy, because everything else I can see, it's.

Bishop H: 00:23:59

It's, you know what we really working with the senses, with the emotions this time.

Bishop H: 00:24:04

This guy, how can he know people's names like that?

Guest: 00:24:07

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:24:08

And I'm.

Bishop H: 00:24:09

And that was way before the age of technology where I was about to.

Host: 00:24:12

Ask way before that, put into chat GP.

Bishop H: 00:24:16

There wasn't a chat GPT.

Bishop H: 00:24:18

I don't think, at that time maybe one or two people who probably had a cell phone.

Guest: 00:24:23

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:24:23

It wasn't the days of.

Bishop H: 00:24:24

And it was like, maybe the Motorola.

Host: 00:24:26

Oh, this sounds like a real gift here.

Bishop H: 00:24:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:24:30

So you can't Google.

Bishop H: 00:24:33

So I was like, I was quite touched.

Bishop H: 00:24:35

And I remember on that day, I said, okay, I'm gonna give my life to this God.

Bishop H: 00:24:38

And straightaway I said, probably coming from a young teenage suicidal mindset.

Bishop H: 00:24:44

I don't know.

Guest: 00:24:45

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:24:45

I'm like, I need to test out this God.

Bishop H: 00:24:47

So I've received you and all that, and I've deceived you, so I want to know if you're real.

Guest: 00:24:52

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:24:52

So I go to the bush, and there's people that.

Bishop H: 00:24:55

These sangoma kind of guys.

Guest: 00:24:57

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:24:58

They put their bowls with this traditional.

Bishop H: 00:25:01

I don't know.

Bishop H: 00:25:01

They call traditional.

Bishop H: 00:25:03

Sometimes you find this blood in it.

Guest: 00:25:05

Oh, wow.

Bishop H: 00:25:06

Some of them take chickens and they do rituals and they leave them in the bush.

Bishop H: 00:25:09

So the first thing I did was to go and find things like that, and I'll kick them.

Bishop H: 00:25:14

Some people throw away money, say they're throwing away bad luck.

Bishop H: 00:25:16

I'll pick it up.

Host: 00:25:18

You pick up, man.

Bishop H: 00:25:18

I'll take it.

Bishop H: 00:25:19

Yeah, I'll take it.

Bishop H: 00:25:20

And for me, every time, I was like, if you are living, God, either I'm gonna die or you're gonna leave.

Bishop H: 00:25:26

If I leave, you are living.

Bishop H: 00:25:28

If I die, you're not there.

Guest: 00:25:30

Oh, wow.

Bishop H: 00:25:31

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:25:31

So I literally put my life on the line, and I didn't die, obviously, while you're here, except there's some alternate universe thing that's going on for dead people.

Host: 00:25:42

He's alive.

Host: 00:25:43

He's alive.

Host: 00:25:44

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:25:44

So that's how I tested this God.

Bishop H: 00:25:47

And I loved that church, too.

Guest: 00:25:49

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:25:49

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:25:49

And the teaching was solid.

Bishop H: 00:25:52

I really, really loved that church.

Bishop H: 00:25:54

I grew up in that church, and people loved me.

Bishop H: 00:25:58

And I had people that I really loved genuinely.

Guest: 00:26:01

Yeah.

Guest: 00:26:01

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:26:02

And, and the teaching was quite solid.

Bishop H: 00:26:05

There was not weird.

Bishop H: 00:26:06

Lot of, there was not weird stuff in there.

Bishop H: 00:26:08

Well, except if you think prophesying is weird.

Bishop H: 00:26:10

I got used to it to such a way that in that church, probably 90% of the people.

Bishop H: 00:26:16

Professor.

Guest: 00:26:16

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:26:17

Including small kids.

Host: 00:26:19

So small kids can come and tell me my business.

Bishop H: 00:26:21

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:26:22

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:26:23

Having said that, just to kind of qualify this, the prophetic gift is not necessarily for telling other people their business.

Bishop H: 00:26:31

It's actually for you being able to just to talk to God.

Guest: 00:26:34

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:26:34

And hearing what he's saying about important stuff in your life.

Host: 00:26:38

Okay.

Guest: 00:26:38

Okay.

Guest: 00:26:39

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:26:39

So, and I think a lot of people are prophetic.

Bishop H: 00:26:42

They just don't call it that.

Bishop H: 00:26:43

They call it intuitive.

Bishop H: 00:26:44

They say, I had a small voice.

Host: 00:26:48

I had a sense.

Bishop H: 00:26:49

Yeah, I had a sense.

Bishop H: 00:26:50

So it's kind of being prophetic.

Guest: 00:26:52

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:26:53

Without you wanting to sound weird because you say, I'm prophetic.

Bishop H: 00:26:57

Anyways, anyways, moving on.

Bishop H: 00:26:59

So I grew up in, I grew up in that church.

Bishop H: 00:27:01

I love that church.

Bishop H: 00:27:02

In fact, I can tell you, I used to fast and say, God, if I ever leave this church, kill me.

Host: 00:27:06

Aibo.

Bishop H: 00:27:06

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:27:07

That's how much I love Jesus.

Host: 00:27:10

That's deep.

Bishop H: 00:27:11

I'll fast, I'll pray.

Host: 00:27:13

That is very deep.

Bishop H: 00:27:14

And I'll say, God, and if I ever leave, kill me.

Guest: 00:27:18

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:27:18

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:27:20

Thank you.

Bishop H: 00:27:21

That he doesn't listen to all of, and he kind of saw, I think, the immaturity in that.

Guest: 00:27:27

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:27:28

Anyways, almost at the end of it.

Bishop H: 00:27:31

Don't worry about that.

Bishop H: 00:27:32

Almost at the end of the story.

Bishop H: 00:27:33

So we at one point.

Bishop H: 00:27:36

Oh, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:27:36

And then I started speaking in tongues.

Guest: 00:27:39

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:27:39

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:27:40

Which is another kind of weird subject in the christian community for now.

Bishop H: 00:27:46

My friends went to fast for three days, and I never fasted.

Bishop H: 00:27:51

And they said they want to fast.

Bishop H: 00:27:52

And when they came back, all of them were like, speaking in new tongues.

Guest: 00:27:54

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:27:55

And I'm like, wow, this is wonderful.

Bishop H: 00:27:57

And I'm saying, I'm gonna fast for three days as well.

Bishop H: 00:27:59

And it's my first time fasting.

Bishop H: 00:28:01

And I go and fast.

Host: 00:28:03

You had nothing to eat?

Bishop H: 00:28:04

Nothing to eat, nothing to drink for three days.

Bishop H: 00:28:09

Day one.

Bishop H: 00:28:10

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:28:11

Day two, I feel like I'm dying.

Guest: 00:28:13

Okay, sure.

Bishop H: 00:28:14

And I remember I'm praying on my own and I'm crying to God, by the way, all these things are not, you don't need to fast for them, for those who believe in that.

Bishop H: 00:28:21

And, and I just say, God, I'm about to die here.

Host: 00:28:24

Uh huh.

Bishop H: 00:28:24

Please, if you don't give me this.

Host: 00:28:26

Gift now, I'm gonna die.

Bishop H: 00:28:29

And all of a sudden, I can't speak in my language anymore.

Bishop H: 00:28:32

I start speaking in this weird language, and I'm trying to say hello.

Bishop H: 00:28:35

Just normal hello.

Bishop H: 00:28:36

I can't say normal hello.

Bishop H: 00:28:37

And I'm just speaking in this, a different language.

Bishop H: 00:28:39

Yeah, but not possessed like, you're not possessed.

Bishop H: 00:28:41

You don't know who you are, what you're doing.

Bishop H: 00:28:43

I can hear.

Bishop H: 00:28:43

This is me.

Guest: 00:28:44

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:28:45

Yeah.

Host: 00:28:46

I haven't been possessed.

Host: 00:28:47

I don't know.

Bishop H: 00:28:50

Oh, remind me.

Bishop H: 00:28:51

Maybe I'm going to tell you another story about that possession later.

Host: 00:28:54

I don't know why I like that kind of stuff, but I do anyways.

Bishop H: 00:29:00

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:29:01

And that's the journey, how I got to Victor's redeemed church.

Bishop H: 00:29:07

So in that apostolic church, and I'm doing all these things, and I love this church.

Bishop H: 00:29:12

I love my church.

Bishop H: 00:29:13

And then one day, I have an encounter.

Guest: 00:29:17

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:29:17

And it's a quite a deal.

Bishop H: 00:29:18

I was just doing my normal fastings here and there.

Guest: 00:29:21

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:29:22

I.

Bishop H: 00:29:23

And I have encounter, and I believe I met Jesus.

Guest: 00:29:26

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:29:27

And people say, how did you look like?

Bishop H: 00:29:29

It didn't look like anything, really.

Bishop H: 00:29:30

It wasn't a physical thing.

Bishop H: 00:29:32

I could sense that there's somebody in the room.

Bishop H: 00:29:33

Somebody's talking to me.

Bishop H: 00:29:35

I can hear the person.

Guest: 00:29:36

Okay, okay.

Bishop H: 00:29:36

Just in case you are going there, because I know you with your question, like, wow, dude, what did you look like?

Bishop H: 00:29:42

I don't know.

Host: 00:29:43

Is he black?

Bishop H: 00:29:45

That's a big one.

Bishop H: 00:29:46

Before.

Bishop H: 00:29:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:29:49

So I should have checked.

Host: 00:29:53

Oh, man.

Host: 00:29:54

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:29:55

So, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:29:55

And then this voice is speaking to me and says, I want you to go to your leaders in your church.

Guest: 00:30:00

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:30:00

And I want you to tell them that I'm not happy with how they've been doing things, and they've been allowing a lot of false prophets to actually operate in the church.

Bishop H: 00:30:10

And they're destroying people.

Guest: 00:30:12

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:30:12

And I'm like, no, that's not what I'm looking for.

Bishop H: 00:30:14

I'm not fasting to.

Bishop H: 00:30:15

To be some form of hero or anything.

Bishop H: 00:30:17

I love my church.

Bishop H: 00:30:18

And frankly speaking, I don't want anybody who speaks badly against my church.

Host: 00:30:21

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:30:22

And that voice says, but is it your church now?

Bishop H: 00:30:25

Okay, it got me there.

Bishop H: 00:30:26

It got me there.

Host: 00:30:27

I mean, like, really?

Host: 00:30:28

I mean.

Guest: 00:30:29

Okay, okay.

Bishop H: 00:30:29

You've got a point.

Guest: 00:30:30

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:30:31

And then the first thing I did, because I was hoping somebody would tell me that, honestly, you've got a demonic spirit.

Bishop H: 00:30:36

I would have accepted that.

Host: 00:30:38

Why?

Bishop H: 00:30:38

Because this person is telling me that the one reality, my one place where I feel home, the one place where I really feel I belong.

Host: 00:30:46

It's full of false prophets.

Bishop H: 00:30:47

Full of false prophets.

Bishop H: 00:30:49

And God is not happy with it, and he's gonna remove it.

Host: 00:30:51

I'm sure that was semi heartbreaking, if not very heartbreaking.

Bishop H: 00:30:54

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:30:54

So I don't.

Bishop H: 00:30:55

I didn't want to hear that.

Guest: 00:30:56

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:30:56

I would have easily accepted the message that there's something wrong with me.

Bishop H: 00:31:00

This is just one person.

Bishop H: 00:31:02

We can deal with that.

Guest: 00:31:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:31:04

So anyways, this is my world shattering, sure.

Bishop H: 00:31:06

But anyways, I call.

Bishop H: 00:31:08

I call the archbishop of the church, and I say, hey, how you doing?

Bishop H: 00:31:12

He says, I'm fine, my boy.

Bishop H: 00:31:13

What's happening?

Bishop H: 00:31:14

And I'm saying, my name is honest.

Bishop H: 00:31:15

And you might not know me, but this voice is speaking to me.

Bishop H: 00:31:19

And this is what this voice is saying.

Guest: 00:31:20

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:31:21

And the guy is very, very deep.

Bishop H: 00:31:22

He's a very deep man.

Bishop H: 00:31:24

And he sits down and he's quiet a little bit.

Bishop H: 00:31:26

And he says, you know what?

Bishop H: 00:31:28

I believe that's God talking to you.

Guest: 00:31:29

Oh, really?

Bishop H: 00:31:31

Go and tell everybody what he said.

Host: 00:31:32

I'm like, oh, why doesn't he say?

Host: 00:31:35

Why doesn't he do it?

Bishop H: 00:31:36

Because he's the.

Bishop H: 00:31:37

I don't know, man.

Bishop H: 00:31:37

I don't know.

Bishop H: 00:31:38

I'm still young by then.

Host: 00:31:39

He's the guy.

Bishop H: 00:31:39

He's the guy.

Bishop H: 00:31:40

He's the guy.

Bishop H: 00:31:41

This off my hands.

Bishop H: 00:31:42

He doesn't take it off my.

Host: 00:31:43

He leaves you with a burden.

Bishop H: 00:31:45

And all of us have a place to play, guys.

Guest: 00:31:47

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:31:48

We've got a part to play, okay?

Bishop H: 00:31:50

And nobody can do that for us.

Bishop H: 00:31:52

It's part of just our journey.

Host: 00:31:53

We just have to do it.

Bishop H: 00:31:54

We have to do it.

Bishop H: 00:31:56

And.

Bishop H: 00:31:56

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:31:57

And just to touch on that, we're all waiting for somebody else to come rescue us.

Bishop H: 00:32:02

Sometimes.

Bishop H: 00:32:02

Nobody's coming.

Host: 00:32:03

You have to do it.

Bishop H: 00:32:04

You gotta do it.

Bishop H: 00:32:06

Yeah.

Guest: 00:32:06

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:32:06

You gotta do it.

Bishop H: 00:32:08

And I go out there and I start.

Bishop H: 00:32:10

I go to different countries where this church is, and I'm just going, hey, my name is honest, and it's a young, thin, slim boy.

Bishop H: 00:32:16

I was happy about my body then.

Bishop H: 00:32:18

Anyways, I say, hey, hi, my name is honest.

Bishop H: 00:32:21

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:32:22

Nobody knows me, obviously.

Host: 00:32:23

So you're in front of the church now?

Bishop H: 00:32:25

No, actually, go to the leaders.

Host: 00:32:27

Oh, the leaders.

Host: 00:32:28

Okay, sure.

Bishop H: 00:32:29

Can I.

Bishop H: 00:32:29

Can I sit down with you?

Bishop H: 00:32:30

I had a message, and I believe it's from God.

Bishop H: 00:32:32

And this is what he said.

Bishop H: 00:32:34

And everywhere they said, yeah, I think that message is most likely true.

Guest: 00:32:38

Oh, okay.

Bishop H: 00:32:39

But there's nothing we can do about it now because the church is too big.

Bishop H: 00:32:42

If we start changing things, oh, it's gonna cause division.

Bishop H: 00:32:46

And I was like, okay.

Host: 00:32:48

So they were happy that there were false prophets.

Host: 00:32:50

I don't know, man.

Bishop H: 00:32:51

I don't know.

Bishop H: 00:32:52

Anyways, so I come back and I'm in Cosmos City now.

Bishop H: 00:32:57

We've moved from Scott Polar and I'm staying there at my local church.

Bishop H: 00:33:02

And the guys don't like me because.

Bishop H: 00:33:04

Because all of a sudden I'm like a heretic.

Bishop H: 00:33:06

I'm like.

Bishop H: 00:33:07

And that thing is because they actually come to me and say, you have become too educated to.

Host: 00:33:12

Educated?

Bishop H: 00:33:13

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:33:13

I think it's your education that is causing you to go and research things and you're coming up with all this nonsense.

Host: 00:33:19

Why is that a problem anyway?

Bishop H: 00:33:23

Like, no, but this is biblical.

Bishop H: 00:33:26

Check the Bible.

Bishop H: 00:33:29

Everybody in this church is using water.

Bishop H: 00:33:32

Where is it in the bible where God says, my prescription for healing, deliverance, prosperity is water?

Bishop H: 00:33:40

Where is that?

Bishop H: 00:33:41

It's not there.

Bishop H: 00:33:43

It means something else has introduced you and this is not uncommon.

Bishop H: 00:33:47

Look at the book of revelations, the book of revelation, written less than 100 years before the passing of Jesus.

Bishop H: 00:33:55

Already there's problems in the church, five of them.

Bishop H: 00:33:59

God is already not pleased.

Bishop H: 00:34:01

What about: 2000

Host: 00:34:03

Probably thousands of them.

Bishop H: 00:34:04

Exactly.

Guest: 00:34:05

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:34:05

And it's not a bad thing when God comes to correct ours.

Host: 00:34:08

That is actually true.

Host: 00:34:09

I never thought of it that way.

Bishop H: 00:34:10

Yeah, it's not a bad thing.

Bishop H: 00:34:12

It's a good thing.

Bishop H: 00:34:12

It's an opportunity to say, thank you, God, you're the owner of this thing.

Bishop H: 00:34:17

Okay, let's see what we can do.

Bishop H: 00:34:18

Yeah, but most of the times people don't do that.

Bishop H: 00:34:21

They actually go and say, what?

Bishop H: 00:34:24

Why are you telling us how to run things?

Bishop H: 00:34:26

We think the church is our church.

Guest: 00:34:28

Yeah, but it's God's church.

Bishop H: 00:34:30

That's God's church.

Guest: 00:34:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:34:32

It's God's church.

Bishop H: 00:34:33

And the moment it becomes our church, it's no longer God's church.

Bishop H: 00:34:36

Yeah, because it means we call the shorts and not God.

Host: 00:34:38

And that's why false prophets come in.

Bishop H: 00:34:40

Exactly.

Guest: 00:34:40

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:34:41

Exactly.

Bishop H: 00:34:42

So, yeah, and I'm talking to these people and they're good, man.

Bishop H: 00:34:45

I want you to know when I'm talking about a false prophet, I'm talking about somebody that if I take you to them today, they will get there, they will say, hello, Njabulo, how are you doing?

Bishop H: 00:34:58

They will tell you your mother's name.

Bishop H: 00:34:59

They will tell you when she was born, the great grandmother.

Bishop H: 00:35:03

You go there, you're looking for somebody that is lost and they've not been seen for years.

Bishop H: 00:35:06

They'll pinpoint the address of the phone number and where to go.

Host: 00:35:09

That is deep.

Bishop H: 00:35:11

So these people are so accurate, but it's not from God.

Bishop H: 00:35:16

And I'm not saying being accurate means you're not from goddess.

Host: 00:35:19

Tell people.

Host: 00:35:19

Yeah, tell people that.

Bishop H: 00:35:22

Because most of the times when you.

Host: 00:35:23

Hear, oh, no, this guy was right.

Host: 00:35:25

So it must be from God.

Bishop H: 00:35:26

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:35:27

So people need to understand that that is the source that matters.

Guest: 00:35:31

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:35:32

The source of the message.

Guest: 00:35:34

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:35:35

Anyways, anyways, so back to the story.

Bishop H: 00:35:39

Back to the story.

Bishop H: 00:35:40

And.

Bishop H: 00:35:41

And I tell all these people, so they end up at my local church and they're like, no, we are going to suspend you indefinitely.

Host: 00:35:46

Ah.

Host: 00:35:48

What does suspend indefinitely mean?

Bishop H: 00:35:49

It means you can come to church and sit down.

Bishop H: 00:35:51

You're not allowed to pretty much do anything.

Bishop H: 00:35:53

You're not even allowed to put on the garment that everybody puts on the uniform, basically.

Host: 00:35:57

Oh, that's excommunication.

Bishop H: 00:35:59

It is excommunication.

Bishop H: 00:36:00

And it was indefinite.

Host: 00:36:02

So regardless of what.

Host: 00:36:05

Repentance.

Host: 00:36:06

Yes.

Host: 00:36:07

That's must have been painful because you love this church, right?

Host: 00:36:11

Or you love the church.

Bishop H: 00:36:12

It was bad, man.

Guest: 00:36:13

It was bad.

Bishop H: 00:36:15

So, yeah, so eventually I stopped going to church, and I come and I'm at my house, I read my Bible.

Bishop H: 00:36:25

Two or three people from the kind of the whole homestead there.

Bishop H: 00:36:29

There's a few tenants there that come and we're sharing the Bible.

Bishop H: 00:36:33

And that's pretty much how the church kind of started in one way or the other.

Bishop H: 00:36:39

But having said that, a lot of people, their lives are influenced by some form of ideology out there.

Guest: 00:36:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:36:49

Some form of message out there.

Bishop H: 00:36:52

And the problem is, if that message is not for your highest good, you're never going to become who you are.

Bishop H: 00:37:02

You cannot shine your light.

Guest: 00:37:04

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:37:05

Because you are thinking you are something else.

Bishop H: 00:37:08

That you're nothing.

Bishop H: 00:37:10

I don't have any business running away from the devil.

Guest: 00:37:12

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:37:13

I don't need to get into holy water to hide from the devil.

Guest: 00:37:17

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:37:18

I can't do that.

Bishop H: 00:37:20

Because according to my Bible, I'm way greater than the devil.

Guest: 00:37:24

Come on, now.

Bishop H: 00:37:27

Of the Bible, I'm way.

Bishop H: 00:37:30

I might not know it.

Bishop H: 00:37:31

I might not fully understand the implications of that, but the fact is that I am in Christ.

Guest: 00:37:39

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:37:40

I am in Christ.

Bishop H: 00:37:41

And.

Bishop H: 00:37:42

And I've tested these things, man.

Bishop H: 00:37:45

I'm a thinker like everybody else.

Bishop H: 00:37:46

I don't go out there.

Bishop H: 00:37:47

And just because you tell me then you think I'm gonna believe that.

Bishop H: 00:37:51

Yeah, I kind of test things.

Bishop H: 00:37:54

And that's just who I am.

Bishop H: 00:37:56

I don't follow blindly.

Bishop H: 00:37:58

I test things.

Bishop H: 00:37:58

And if you say I'm that powerful, I go and test it out.

Host: 00:38:03

Okay, how did you go test that out?

Bishop H: 00:38:05

Well, I've been in places where I've seen people that let me actually tell my wife's story.

Guest: 00:38:11

Okay, okay.

Bishop H: 00:38:12

Let me tell my wife's story.

Bishop H: 00:38:13

And one point, we go to this place and we say, you know, we want to start a Bible study thing.

Bishop H: 00:38:18

Going here?

Guest: 00:38:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:38:21

And we go there and we say, God, you are here.

Bishop H: 00:38:26

And that's what your word says.

Bishop H: 00:38:28

You are here, and we want to just experience you.

Bishop H: 00:38:32

And if there's anything that is not of God here, we pray and we ask you to expose it.

Bishop H: 00:38:39

And that's just that.

Bishop H: 00:38:41

And all of a sudden, in this place, people start to fall down.

Bishop H: 00:38:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:38:48

Some people start to shake violently.

Guest: 00:38:50

Wow.

Bishop H: 00:38:52

One guy, we didn't know this.

Bishop H: 00:38:54

He had just been diagnosed with some form of cancer in his leg.

Guest: 00:38:58

Oh, no.

Bishop H: 00:38:59

And we go there, and his leg is shaking badly.

Bishop H: 00:39:05

And my wife prays for him.

Bishop H: 00:39:06

And he says, in the name of Jesus, we command that whatever is here does not.

Bishop H: 00:39:11

The guy you are supposed to be amputated.

Bishop H: 00:39:14

It was the next week, I think on a Thursday.

Bishop H: 00:39:16

He goes there.

Bishop H: 00:39:17

They say this thing has disappeared.

Guest: 00:39:20

Wow.

Host: 00:39:20

So he went to the hospital.

Host: 00:39:23

Yeah.

Host: 00:39:24

And said, disappeared.

Host: 00:39:24

After that encounters.

Host: 00:39:26

Geez.

Bishop H: 00:39:27

So.

Bishop H: 00:39:28

And they have countless.

Host: 00:39:30

And there are real stories like this, right?

Bishop H: 00:39:31

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:39:31

This is like normal people like you and me.

Bishop H: 00:39:34

Not.

Bishop H: 00:39:35

Not super religious.

Bishop H: 00:39:37

Super.

Bishop H: 00:39:39

What do hypnotize people?

Bishop H: 00:39:40

These are the people just like you and me.

Guest: 00:39:42

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:39:43

And we have had countless of those stories.

Bishop H: 00:39:47

Just the other day, last week.

Bishop H: 00:39:50

Is it last week or this week?

Bishop H: 00:39:51

What's today?

Bishop H: 00:39:52

Saturday.

Host: 00:39:52

Today's a Saturday.

Guest: 00:39:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:39:54

One lady, we go there, we visit her.

Bishop H: 00:39:58

She's not been coming to church for a while.

Bishop H: 00:39:59

In fact, she came once, a few times, never came back again.

Bishop H: 00:40:03

Go see her.

Bishop H: 00:40:04

And she goes there and says, honest, I've been having a lot of issues.

Bishop H: 00:40:08

What's the issue?

Bishop H: 00:40:09

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:40:10

I actually just suddenly got blind.

Bishop H: 00:40:12

Even now my eyes are not okay.

Bishop H: 00:40:14

I need to go and see a doctor and get glasses, like, okay, great.

Bishop H: 00:40:18

And we say, okay, can we pray?

Bishop H: 00:40:19

And we start to pray, and all of a sudden she starts speaking in another person's voice and says, what are you doing here?

Bishop H: 00:40:25

I took this child from your church table.

Bishop H: 00:40:28

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:40:29

Because I don't want this child to be with you, and I want this child to work for me.

Bishop H: 00:40:32

And I'm like, ah.

Bishop H: 00:40:34

Like okay.

Bishop H: 00:40:36

All right.

Bishop H: 00:40:36

So keep on praying anyways.

Bishop H: 00:40:38

Keep on praying.

Bishop H: 00:40:39

Just the other day, I'm probably gonna show you.

Bishop H: 00:40:41

Remind me just after the show.

Guest: 00:40:42

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:40:42

Says, thank you so much.

Bishop H: 00:40:43

There's nothing wrong with my eyes.

Host: 00:40:45

Nothing.

Bishop H: 00:40:45

My eyes, a hundred percent.

Bishop H: 00:40:48

So I'm not saying every condition can be out there is.

Bishop H: 00:40:53

Is because maybe there's some satanic influence.

Host: 00:40:56

Or some demonic conditions or just conditions.

Bishop H: 00:40:59

They're just natural.

Guest: 00:41:00

Yeah.

Guest: 00:41:00

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:41:01

Dude, if I don't eat well, I'm gonna be obese.

Guest: 00:41:03

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:41:03

And I'm gonna develop issues.

Guest: 00:41:06

Yeah.

Host: 00:41:06

You can't pray that away.

Bishop H: 00:41:07

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:41:08

But imagine you are doing everything right, and all of a sudden you feel ill.

Bishop H: 00:41:12

Something just comes.

Guest: 00:41:13

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:41:14

And like, where did that come from?

Bishop H: 00:41:16

That's not, that's not natural.

Guest: 00:41:19

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:41:20

Anyways, so back to your question.

Bishop H: 00:41:25

Why do.

Bishop H: 00:41:26

Don't most people shine their light?

Bishop H: 00:41:28

You cannot shine your light until you know who you are.

Guest: 00:41:30

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:41:31

And you cannot know who you are until God tells you who you are.

Bishop H: 00:41:38

And most of us don't want to be told who you are.

Bishop H: 00:41:40

We want to try out everything first.

Bishop H: 00:41:42

All these ideologies, we only discover sometimes a generation later that it doesn't work.

Host: 00:41:49

When you say a generation later, for example, it's like if your father doesn't figure something out, then only you are going to figure it out.

Guest: 00:41:57

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:41:57

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:41:57

You discover a generation later.

Host: 00:41:59

Isn't that a bit late now?

Bishop H: 00:42:00

It is.

Host: 00:42:02

A generation later means, can I do it now?

Host: 00:42:04

Because if I want to take a generation to figure it out, I'm dead.

Bishop H: 00:42:09

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:42:09

Look at this.

Guest: 00:42:10

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:42:10

Listen to this.

Bishop H: 00:42:12

I'm just going to use a popular platform that all of us use.

Bishop H: 00:42:15

And I also use.

Guest: 00:42:16

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:42:17

I'm going to talk about Facebook.

Guest: 00:42:18

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:42:19

Right.

Bishop H: 00:42:20

Popular platform comes great.

Bishop H: 00:42:23

Comes into the spotlight.

Bishop H: 00:42:25

Let's look at.

Bishop H: 00:42:26

So there's a lot of positive things that have come.

Guest: 00:42:28

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:42:28

From Facebook.

Guest: 00:42:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:42:30

But look at also the negative things that have come from Facebook.

Guest: 00:42:33

Sure, sure.

Bishop H: 00:42:34

So, and this is research.

Bishop H: 00:42:37

This is studies that you can go out there and you can see that there are kids that are killing themselves because of when they're looking at other kids on Facebook.

Guest: 00:42:44

Sure.

Host: 00:42:45

So a knack of likes and all of that.

Bishop H: 00:42:47

So I'm not saying we shouldn't have Facebook, but I'm saying most of the times we realize a generation later that this thing, maybe we could have controlled it a little bit better.

Guest: 00:42:58

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:42:58

We could have put measures around it a little bit better.

Bishop H: 00:43:01

We shouldn't have just laid in and said like, oh, let's everybody go there.

Bishop H: 00:43:05

Let's dive.

Bishop H: 00:43:05

Let's have, let's party.

Guest: 00:43:07

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:43:09

But it's already too late.

Bishop H: 00:43:10

There's already lives lost, families lost, and, and, and that's just the reality of it.

Bishop H: 00:43:17

So we try out these ideologies and we try them out against the ideology of the Bible.

Guest: 00:43:24

Okay.

Host: 00:43:26

Instead of just using the Bible.

Bishop H: 00:43:27

Yes, because we're like, no, like why does, why is this the only way?

Bishop H: 00:43:31

Why, why should Jesus say, I am the way, not I am another way?

Host: 00:43:37

Do you think, do you think we do that because we have a preconceived idea of what we want, who we should be, and anything that doesn't line up to that, I'm going to run away from.

Host: 00:43:51

For example, I'll go to this church and that church and that church and that church, and I'll only go to the church or the prophet or medium spirit or whatever ideology that aligns to what I want.

Host: 00:44:02

Exactly.

Bishop H: 00:44:03

And that's exactly what we do.

Bishop H: 00:44:05

It aligns to what you want to.

Bishop H: 00:44:08

But there's a reason mankind is a very.

Bishop H: 00:44:16

What's the word?

Bishop H: 00:44:16

What's it?

Bishop H: 00:44:16

I'm looking, I'm gonna come now.

Bishop H: 00:44:18

Give me a second.

Bishop H: 00:44:18

Give me a second.

Bishop H: 00:44:20

It's a very new civilization.

Bishop H: 00:44:24

Now, the proponents of the big bang theory will tell you that mankind has been around for like say, homo sapiens sapiens.

Bishop H: 00:44:34

They'll give you a certain 200, 300 or something thousand years.

Guest: 00:44:37

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:44:38

And I'm not an advocate for that, but I'm just saying from whichever angle you look at it.

Guest: 00:44:43

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:44:43

Mankind is a very young entity or civilization or organism.

Guest: 00:44:51

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:44:53

We almost like children.

Bishop H: 00:44:55

The reason we choose for our children with school to go to.

Guest: 00:44:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:44:59

Is because we know better.

Guest: 00:45:01

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:45:02

Is it because we want to abuse them?

Host: 00:45:04

No.

Host: 00:45:05

Well, hopefully not, but no.

Bishop H: 00:45:07

I'm gonna take you to that school.

Bishop H: 00:45:08

Cause I think it's the best school and I want to abuse you.

Host: 00:45:12

Any good parent wouldn't want to do that.

Bishop H: 00:45:13

Exactly.

Bishop H: 00:45:14

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:45:14

We doing the best we know because we've got slightly an advantage.

Bishop H: 00:45:20

We've seen life.

Host: 00:45:21

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:45:22

But if the child comes and says, you can't tell me where I want to go or how I should live my life.

Host: 00:45:29

Ah, I see.

Bishop H: 00:45:31

They can say that, but they don't have the capacity to actually make sound decisions.

Guest: 00:45:36

Very true.

Bishop H: 00:45:39

Not there.

Bishop H: 00:45:40

Yeah, it's not there.

Bishop H: 00:45:42

So when God presents himself to us, to a young civilization, and he presents and we have the Bible today.

Guest: 00:45:50

Yeah.

Guest: 00:45:51

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:45:51

It is.

Bishop H: 00:45:52

So that he can give us that foundation and that foundation until we're big enough or old enough or spiritually mature enough to now make proper decisions.

Guest: 00:46:03

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:46:05

And those decisions will always align with God when we are mature.

Bishop H: 00:46:10

But before we are mature, he kind of leads us, says, hey, don't do that.

Bishop H: 00:46:16

Go this way.

Bishop H: 00:46:19

That's the whole concept around it.

Bishop H: 00:46:21

So these ideas that we are bringing in, we really competing with what God says, and we say we can find a way that is better for mankind.

Bishop H: 00:46:31

I can tell you that to this day, we haven't found a way.

Host: 00:46:37

After all of these religions and all of these ideas.

Host: 00:46:40

Ideas and organizations and crazy things that are happening out there, we haven't found it.

Bishop H: 00:46:47

Nothing still beats that.

Bishop H: 00:46:48

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Host: 00:46:52

Tried and tested.

Bishop H: 00:46:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:46:54

Solid.

Bishop H: 00:46:55

That's solid.

Guest: 00:46:56

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:46:56

It gets you and me to a point to say, maybe I'm not living this life for me.

Bishop H: 00:47:02

Maybe I'm living it for other people.

Guest: 00:47:04

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:47:05

And if you can all live like.

Host: 00:47:07

That, it's a much better world.

Bishop H: 00:47:09

It's a much better world.

Guest: 00:47:10

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:47:11

And some people come and say no, but Christianity is kind of exclusive.

Bishop H: 00:47:21

Or in a way, what do you call something that is on its own and doesn't want not inclusive?

Host: 00:47:28

So it's not inclusive.

Guest: 00:47:29

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:47:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:47:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:47:30

And they say, no, we need to change it to make it more inclusive.

Host: 00:47:36

And we're seeing crazy things happening right now.

Bishop H: 00:47:39

Again, it won't work.

Host: 00:47:41

It has never worked.

Bishop H: 00:47:42

It won't work.

Bishop H: 00:47:45

We meant to love people.

Bishop H: 00:47:48

Love them enough to die for them.

Bishop H: 00:47:49

Actually.

Host: 00:47:50

That's a hard thing to do.

Host: 00:47:52

What are you.

Host: 00:47:52

What are you saying?

Host: 00:47:55

What are you saying, bishop h?

Bishop H: 00:47:57

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:47:57

One of the things that has to do with love is I have to live my life for your greater good.

Guest: 00:48:03

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:48:04

And it means that I have to tell you the truth.

Bishop H: 00:48:07

I have to tell you that, NJ, I know that you think sleeping for 1 hour is a good thing.

Guest: 00:48:12

Mm hmm.

Bishop H: 00:48:13

It's not a good thing.

Bishop H: 00:48:15

You might say honest.

Bishop H: 00:48:16

You're judging me.

Bishop H: 00:48:17

Yeah, honest.

Bishop H: 00:48:17

But I'll tell you not, dude, I love you.

Guest: 00:48:19

Yeah.

Guest: 00:48:19

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:48:20

And I'm not telling you because I hate you.

Bishop H: 00:48:23

I'm telling you because I care.

Guest: 00:48:24

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:48:25

It's either you listen to me, or you're gonna find out the hard way.

Bishop H: 00:48:29

The hard way?

Guest: 00:48:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:48:30

And I don't want you to find out the hard way.

Bishop H: 00:48:32

So I tell you that.

Bishop H: 00:48:35

And if you look at the basic structure of, let's just say a family, a dad is supposed to live for his kids.

Guest: 00:48:42

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:48:42

What more is there to live for?

Host: 00:48:45

Chelsea football club.

Guest: 00:48:46

No.

Bishop H: 00:48:47

Besides Chelsea.

Bishop H: 00:48:49

That's a very good argument.

Bishop H: 00:48:51

Besides Chelsea.

Guest: 00:48:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:48:53

What more is it to live for?

Bishop H: 00:48:55

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:48:55

You wanna build.

Bishop H: 00:48:56

You wanna drive the big car and have a big house, right?

Guest: 00:48:58

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:48:58

And then what?

Bishop H: 00:49:00

Because you're gonna go.

Guest: 00:49:01

Yeah.

Host: 00:49:02

And you leave it behind.

Bishop H: 00:49:03

You're gonna leave it behind.

Guest: 00:49:04

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:49:04

Not gonna go with it.

Host: 00:49:05

No.

Bishop H: 00:49:06

But the way you love your kids and take care of them is going to continue to propel throughout life.

Guest: 00:49:12

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:49:12

You're gonna touch people you never knew through your kids.

Bishop H: 00:49:16

Through their kids, because you raised them.

Guest: 00:49:19

Yeah.

Host: 00:49:19

I heard someone say that children are messengers we send to a future we will never see.

Bishop H: 00:49:25

Can you do the dream, dream, dream thing?

Bishop H: 00:49:28

That is so epic.

Guest: 00:49:29

Yeah.

Host: 00:49:30

Children are messengers to a future that we will never see.

Host: 00:49:35

I heard someone say that the heart is deep.

Bishop H: 00:49:38

That is deep.

Bishop H: 00:49:39

And it's so true.

Bishop H: 00:49:41

And that's the whole essence of Christianity, that you can't live for yourself.

Guest: 00:49:45

Yeah.

Guest: 00:49:45

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:49:46

You gotta live for other people.

Bishop H: 00:49:49

And that's at the core of it.

Host: 00:49:51

Even if people suck, because people suck out.

Host: 00:49:54

People suck out there like it's opinionated.

Bishop H: 00:49:58

They say they need some.

Bishop H: 00:49:59

People will even spit on you.

Host: 00:50:01

They'll backstab.

Bishop H: 00:50:02

Backstab you.

Host: 00:50:04

Especially.

Host: 00:50:06

Not even.

Host: 00:50:06

Especially.

Host: 00:50:08

Take that back.

Host: 00:50:09

Even in the church itself?

Bishop H: 00:50:11

Even in the church itself.

Host: 00:50:13

The devil's christians.

Host: 00:50:14

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:50:17

Sometimes I think it's even worse in church.

Host: 00:50:19

Worse in churches.

Host: 00:50:20

Explain.

Bishop H: 00:50:20

Sometimes I feel people say, I think.

Host: 00:50:22

I'm crazy if I say that.

Bishop H: 00:50:23

No, no, no.

Bishop H: 00:50:24

It's not crazy.

Bishop H: 00:50:24

There's a lot of.

Bishop H: 00:50:26

There's a lot of horrible people in the church.

Bishop H: 00:50:29

And sometimes I can.

Bishop H: 00:50:30

Even if you're brave enough, I can tell you I'm probably one of them.

Guest: 00:50:33

Oh, wow.

Host: 00:50:34

Me.

Host: 00:50:35

Oh, okay.

Bishop H: 00:50:36

I don't know about you, too.

Bishop H: 00:50:37

I don't stay with you.

Bishop H: 00:50:39

Ask the people who stay.

Bishop H: 00:50:42

I'm probably one of them.

Guest: 00:50:44

Yeah.

Guest: 00:50:44

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:50:44

And we not come into church because we're perfect.

Guest: 00:50:47

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:50:49

We come into church because this is the one place whereby God says, I'm gonna model.

Bishop H: 00:50:54

And God works with models, by the way.

Bishop H: 00:50:56

Eden was a model.

Guest: 00:50:57

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:50:58

So he says, this is the model place.

Bishop H: 00:51:00

I want the whole earth to look like this.

Guest: 00:51:02

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:02

And Adam and Eve were a model.

Bishop H: 00:51:05

This is the model relationship.

Guest: 00:51:07

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:51:08

I want all relationship to resemble this.

Guest: 00:51:10

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:11

So the church is a model as well.

Guest: 00:51:12

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:13

And he says, I want people that are different, that are raw, that are just committed to loving me and growing.

Bishop H: 00:51:21

I want them together to love one another.

Guest: 00:51:23

To love one another.

Guest: 00:51:24

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:25

And I cannot love you more than the love that I have received.

Guest: 00:51:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:30

I can't give you what I don't have.

Bishop H: 00:51:32

You'll be asking for too much.

Host: 00:51:33

Exactly.

Bishop H: 00:51:34

I can only give you according to the capacity that I've received.

Guest: 00:51:37

Sure.

Bishop H: 00:51:38

So as I grow in my capacity to receive, by the way, mankind was just created to be loved.

Guest: 00:51:43

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:44

That's the main reason God created us.

Guest: 00:51:45

So.

Host: 00:51:45

God created us so he could love us.

Host: 00:51:48

He could love us and then we could love him.

Host: 00:51:49

Yes.

Bishop H: 00:51:49

That's why we look for love so much.

Guest: 00:51:51

Yeah.

Host: 00:51:51

And we're looking for it in all the wrong places.

Bishop H: 00:51:53

All the wrong places.

Bishop H: 00:51:54

Because we inherently, we feel that I need to be loved.

Guest: 00:51:58

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:51:59

So we've joined gangs, we joined political parties.

Bishop H: 00:52:02

We joined just to seek that love.

Bishop H: 00:52:05

But anyways, let me not digress coming back.

Bishop H: 00:52:09

So we are created to.

Bishop H: 00:52:10

The church is a place where people come and say, I'm making a commitment.

Bishop H: 00:52:16

The same way you made a commitment to your wife.

Guest: 00:52:18

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:52:19

You didn't say, girl, I'm gonna be perfect.

Host: 00:52:22

No.

Bishop H: 00:52:22

If you did that, you lied to her, and she discovered it probably a week after.

Bishop H: 00:52:28

Oh, no.

Bishop H: 00:52:29

Whatever got myself into this guy lied to me.

Bishop H: 00:52:32

He lied to me.

Bishop H: 00:52:34

But she's committed to you, and you're committed to her.

Guest: 00:52:36

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:52:37

And if you can be honest, I think you have seen that throughout the times you've been together.

Bishop H: 00:52:42

The way you love her is kind of changing her, and the way she loves you is kind of changing you.

Host: 00:52:47

Facts.

Host: 00:52:48

Facts.

Bishop H: 00:52:48

But you're not there yet.

Bishop H: 00:52:50

Nobody.

Bishop H: 00:52:50

I don't think there's a there to get to.

Bishop H: 00:52:52

Yeah, but that love is changing you, and your love is.

Bishop H: 00:52:58

I'm being changed by my wife.

Bishop H: 00:53:00

I can't get why she's still with me.

Bishop H: 00:53:07

I don't get it, like, because.

Bishop H: 00:53:11

Because, you know, the first days, you try to kind of mask it and not show who you really are, you know, your bad vibes and the wrong words that you can say you, in the first days, you try, but after a while, you know, the person, you know, catches you, like, you know, on your bad mood.

Guest: 00:53:28

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:53:28

You say that wrong way.

Bishop H: 00:53:30

What's wrong with me?

Guest: 00:53:31

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:53:32

And they still stay.

Guest: 00:53:33

Yeah, exactly.

Bishop H: 00:53:34

That's.

Bishop H: 00:53:35

That's.

Host: 00:53:36

That's.

Bishop H: 00:53:36

That's love.

Host: 00:53:37

That's.

Host: 00:53:37

That's.

Bishop H: 00:53:38

It's beautiful.

Host: 00:53:39

It is beautiful.

Guest: 00:53:40

Well, unless.

Host: 00:53:41

Unless they're being abused, then I don't.

Bishop H: 00:53:43

Think abuse is another story altogether.

Guest: 00:53:47

Yeah.

Guest: 00:53:47

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:53:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:53:48

It's another story altogether.

Bishop H: 00:53:49

And.

Bishop H: 00:53:50

And just to touch on that, a little bit of.

Guest: 00:53:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:53:54

I think the world we are in is basing its laws on extremes.

Host: 00:54:00

Extremes.

Host: 00:54:01

Please explain.

Bishop H: 00:54:01

Let me explain it.

Bishop H: 00:54:04

If I come to your house and I steal something.

Guest: 00:54:30

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:54:31

We introduce a law and we say people are not supposed to come to each other's houses.

Guest: 00:54:37

Yeah.

Host: 00:54:37

That's very extreme.

Bishop H: 00:54:39

It's because of the extreme case, the one in, somebody probably beat their child and abused them.

Guest: 00:54:47

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:54:47

And it was bad.

Guest: 00:54:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:54:49

And then there's a law now that says you can't spank your kid.

Guest: 00:54:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:54:55

It doesn't mean that spanking on its own was wicked.

Bishop H: 00:54:59

And some of us were spanked when we were growing up.

Host: 00:55:03

Properly.

Bishop H: 00:55:03

Properly, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:04

It didn't harm us in any considerable way.

Bishop H: 00:55:07

But these people that spanked, they actually abused their kids.

Bishop H: 00:55:11

So now we put a law that takes away this good thing in a way that was really saving people in the community and kids.

Bishop H: 00:55:22

And then we just say, no, because of this one person that has done this or because of this few, we need to put a law that says no more.

Guest: 00:55:31

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:31

And we're getting stuck very quickly.

Host: 00:55:34

When you say getting stuck very quickly, what do you mean?

Bishop H: 00:55:37

Just watch the space.

Bishop H: 00:55:39

Watch the space of.

Bishop H: 00:55:40

Of humanity.

Bishop H: 00:55:41

I love to watch humanity.

Host: 00:55:43

Really?

Host: 00:55:43

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:55:44

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:44

So first of all, we're gonna say, okay, let's burn spanking.

Bishop H: 00:55:48

And I'm not talking good or bad here.

Guest: 00:55:50

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:50

The law is the law.

Guest: 00:55:51

Yeah.

Guest: 00:55:51

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:52

And then.

Bishop H: 00:55:52

And then our kids start to hit our teachers.

Bishop H: 00:55:55

Now.

Guest: 00:55:55

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:56

Now, it's scary to be a teacher.

Bishop H: 00:55:57

You rather be a soldier.

Guest: 00:55:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:55:59

Than be a teacher.

Bishop H: 00:56:02

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:56:03

So it's the results of that.

Bishop H: 00:56:05

Right.

Bishop H: 00:56:05

And it comes.

Bishop H: 00:56:06

So our kids now, they now hit the teachers.

Bishop H: 00:56:10

So now we will have to introduce another law.

Bishop H: 00:56:13

And from there we introduce another law.

Bishop H: 00:56:15

And we keep on introducing these laws that eventually we are all, instead of becoming free, we've actually gone the opposite way.

Host: 00:56:25

Become enslaved.

Bishop H: 00:56:26

Now we have entangled ourselves.

Bishop H: 00:56:29

Just go out there and say, for example, there's freedom of speech.

Guest: 00:56:32

Yeah.

Guest: 00:56:32

Yeah.

Host: 00:56:33

Is there not?

Host: 00:56:35

No, no, no, no, no.

Bishop H: 00:56:38

It was a great idea when you introduced it.

Bishop H: 00:56:40

And then I say, oh, NJ, your hair is too black.

Bishop H: 00:56:43

And people say, ah, well, let's put a thing around that.

Host: 00:56:49

Asterisks around it.

Bishop H: 00:56:50

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:56:50

You can't actually say you have freedom of speech, but you can't actually say that.

Host: 00:56:54

So there's not freedom of speech.

Bishop H: 00:56:55

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:56:55

So, no, no.

Bishop H: 00:56:56

So, no, no.

Bishop H: 00:56:56

There's still freedom of speech.

Bishop H: 00:56:57

But you can't say a, B, C, D, x.

Host: 00:57:00

That's not freedom of speech.

Host: 00:57:02

That's not freedom of speech.

Host: 00:57:04

I should be able to say what I want whenever I want to.

Host: 00:57:06

If you're saying I for freedom of speech.

Bishop H: 00:57:08

Exactly.

Guest: 00:57:08

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:57:09

So we come in with these big words and I'm curious, as the human entity is growing, to say, are we realizing that slowly but surely we are entangling ourselves?

Bishop H: 00:57:25

There's a prophet that said something the other day.

Bishop H: 00:57:28

I don't know if I should say his name, but he was in prison cut.

Bishop H: 00:57:31

Not so long ago.

Guest: 00:57:32

Okay.

Bishop H: 00:57:33

For whatever he did.

Bishop H: 00:57:34

He's got famous guy.

Bishop H: 00:57:35

Not somebody I follow or anything, but when somebody's saying something, that makes sense.

Guest: 00:57:43

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:57:43

I kind of, even if I.

Bishop H: 00:57:45

I don't like all your other ideologies, but what you said right now makes themselves.

Bishop H: 00:57:50

Grab that.

Guest: 00:57:51

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 00:57:51

And the guy said, I know we're coming and say, we're saying we shouldn't have people.

Bishop H: 00:57:57

For example, there is people that are giving people grass to eat.

Guest: 00:58:01

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:58:02

And apparently there were snakes.

Bishop H: 00:58:03

Was this snakes or something like that?

Host: 00:58:04

Snakes.

Bishop H: 00:58:05

I had grass.

Bishop H: 00:58:06

I don't.

Bishop H: 00:58:07

I think there was snakes.

Bishop H: 00:58:07

I heard stories.

Host: 00:58:08

I think petrol.

Host: 00:58:09

The went petrol.

Bishop H: 00:58:10

And it's like, yeah, exactly.

Host: 00:58:12

All these crazy things happen.

Bishop H: 00:58:14

And the guy said, why are we, why are we going and speaking against those people?

Bishop H: 00:58:21

What is he saying?

Bishop H: 00:58:21

Dude?

Bishop H: 00:58:22

What are you saying?

Guest: 00:58:22

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:58:23

He says, don't we have freedom of religion?

Guest: 00:58:25

Yeah, we do.

Host: 00:58:27

Oh, I thought we did.

Bishop H: 00:58:28

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:58:29

So if there is freedom of religion, in essence, it means I'm allowed to do whatever as long as you didn't come and report me and say, yeah, he spread doom on me and my eyes are not working.

Bishop H: 00:58:38

If everybody was there.

Bishop H: 00:58:41

Okay.

Guest: 00:58:42

Yeah.

Host: 00:58:43

What's the problem?

Bishop H: 00:58:44

There's no problem.

Bishop H: 00:58:45

Yeah, constitutionally there is no problem, but we quickly attacking those things.

Bishop H: 00:58:55

And I liked what he said about that.

Bishop H: 00:58:58

I don't agree with dooms and whatnot, but I like that he's saying, guys, we've already made provision that says these things are allowed.

Bishop H: 00:59:07

So now why are we coming and saying they're no longer allowed anymore?

Bishop H: 00:59:12

It doesn't make sense.

Host: 00:59:13

No, that's very true.

Bishop H: 00:59:14

So these laws that we're coming up.

Host: 00:59:16

With are slowly entangling us.

Bishop H: 00:59:19

Slowly.

Guest: 00:59:20

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:59:20

And one day we're going to wake up and say we're no longer a free society.

Bishop H: 00:59:25

We are being governed and controlled.

Host: 00:59:28

We wake up and it's: 1984

Bishop H: 00:59:30

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:59:31

That's where we're going.

Bishop H: 00:59:32

Only this time it will be our own doing.

Host: 00:59:34

Yeah.

Host: 00:59:34

We did it to ourselves.

Bishop H: 00:59:35

Yes.

Host: 00:59:36

All because people didn't want to follow biblical principles and they wanted to follow themselves.

Bishop H: 00:59:44

Yes.

Host: 00:59:44

I guess that's why he's saying battle for your soul.

Bishop H: 00:59:47

Battle for your soul.

Guest: 00:59:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:59:49

It's crazy.

Bishop H: 00:59:50

The things that are happening out there.

Bishop H: 00:59:51

And I tell people, well, this book, for example.

Guest: 00:59:54

Yeah.

Bishop H: 00:59:54

Is.

Bishop H: 00:59:56

I think even somebody who's not a Christian can get a value from it.

Guest: 00:59:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:00:00

In the sense that I talk about, first of all, just understanding that there is spiritual entities around us.

Guest: 01:00:08

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:00:09

And Africa doesn't have a problem with that.

Host: 01:00:11

No, we know.

Bishop H: 01:00:14

We know.

Host: 01:00:15

Apparently.

Host: 01:00:16

Apparently there was a poll I don't have the exact source of.

Host: 01:00:21

I was speaking to someone.

Host: 01:00:22

They said, in South Africa, we engage in the most witchcraft on the entire continent.

Host: 01:00:28

I found that very hard to believe.

Host: 01:00:29

But then I was like, well, actually, that might be true.

Bishop H: 01:00:33

It might be true.

Host: 01:00:34

It might be true, because I don't.

Bishop H: 01:00:35

Think in any other country they would allow.

Bishop H: 01:00:37

There's these shows these days where they.

Bishop H: 01:00:39

I saw the other one.

Bishop H: 01:00:40

I think it was on YouTube.

Guest: 01:00:41

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:00:42

I don't know if it was.

Bishop H: 01:00:42

It's also on.

Bishop H: 01:00:43

On national tv.

Guest: 01:00:45

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:00:45

Where they called it to twasaring and whatnot.

Bishop H: 01:00:48

Those things whereby somebody's holding a snake and they're doing this funny ritual.

Bishop H: 01:00:53

You should check out on YouTube.

Bishop H: 01:00:54

I'll send you a link, bro.

Host: 01:00:55

This is actually televised?

Bishop H: 01:00:57

Televised.

Bishop H: 01:01:00

It's for stealing the souls of Mendez.

Guest: 01:01:03

Wow.

Host: 01:01:03

So that.

Host: 01:01:04

That entire thing is to steal someone's soul?

Bishop H: 01:01:06

Yeah, apparently, they say you are born with a luck, or whatever it is.

Bishop H: 01:01:10

So when you sleep with that person.

Host: 01:01:12

They take your life.

Bishop H: 01:01:13

From that day onwards, your money doesn't go well.

Bishop H: 01:01:16

Nothing goes well.

Bishop H: 01:01:17

You struggle in everything.

Bishop H: 01:01:18

Your business is start to go down.

Guest: 01:01:20

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:01:20

And that person apparently starts to have.

Bishop H: 01:01:23

Now it's.

Bishop H: 01:01:24

It's all over YouTube, and it's in our country, and I think it's the only country that shows things that.

Host: 01:01:29

Wow.

Bishop H: 01:01:30

Especially in Africa.

Bishop H: 01:01:31

Wow.

Bishop H: 01:01:32

Yeah.

Guest: 01:01:33

Wow.

Host: 01:01:33

Okay.

Bishop H: 01:01:33

So that's how.

Bishop H: 01:01:34

That's how progressive we are.

Host: 01:01:37

I know exactly what I'm watching tonight.

Host: 01:01:39

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:01:42

Wow.

Bishop H: 01:01:43

I.

Host: 01:01:43

South Africa.

Host: 01:01:44

What are we doing?

Host: 01:01:45

Like, what are we doing?

Host: 01:01:47

Like, somebody used to tell me, what are we doing?

Bishop H: 01:01:51

It's gonna get worse.

Host: 01:01:52

Oh, wow.

Bishop H: 01:01:53

It's gonna get worse because.

Host: 01:01:55

Don't tell me that.

Bishop H: 01:01:57

Speak against it.

Guest: 01:01:58

Wow.

Bishop H: 01:01:59

It's somebody's fundamental.

Bishop H: 01:02:01

Right.

Guest: 01:02:01

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:02:02

So.

Host: 01:02:03

Well, true.

Host: 01:02:03

Very, like, true.

Bishop H: 01:02:05

Exactly.

Bishop H: 01:02:06

So the whole thing.

Bishop H: 01:02:07

The whole issue is this thing is coming from a higher level than we think.

Bishop H: 01:02:14

So one of the things I talk about there is these principalities.

Bishop H: 01:02:19

These principalities are basically a higher, higher level kind of spirit.

Guest: 01:02:26

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:02:27

And they're in charge of making sure they influence culture.

Host: 01:02:31

Like, culture, like, when you say not just countries, but, like, the culture within.

Bishop H: 01:02:34

Culture within.

Bishop H: 01:02:35

Because.

Guest: 01:02:35

Okay.

Bishop H: 01:02:36

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:02:36

Culture is a self perpetuating system.

Guest: 01:02:39

Sure.

Bishop H: 01:02:40

You don't need to watch every single person when we're talking about culture.

Bishop H: 01:02:46

Remember, God is the only one who can see and be everywhere.

Guest: 01:02:50

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:02:50

He's the only one.

Bishop H: 01:02:52

He's.

Bishop H: 01:02:53

Is it omnipresence?

Bishop H: 01:02:54

I think that's the way it's called.

Host: 01:02:55

Omnipresence.

Bishop H: 01:02:56

Yeah, yeah, she's everywhere.

Bishop H: 01:02:58

So if you can't be everywhere, what do you do?

Bishop H: 01:03:00

You put a system.

Guest: 01:03:01

Mmm.

Host: 01:03:02

That's very true.

Host: 01:03:03

Yes, that is very true.

Guest: 01:03:04

I never thought of it that way.

Bishop H: 01:03:05

Yes, that's what companies do.

Guest: 01:03:07

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:03:07

If I can be.

Bishop H: 01:03:08

If the boss can be in every.

Bishop H: 01:03:09

So he creates systems.

Host: 01:03:11

Okay, I'll create a system for someone to watch over that specific department.

Host: 01:03:15

Region.

Guest: 01:03:15

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:03:16

So the systems are the culture.

Guest: 01:03:18

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:03:19

Right.

Bishop H: 01:03:19

So.

Bishop H: 01:03:20

And remember what the devil does.

Bishop H: 01:03:23

Certainly, what he wants is to infiltrate a culture.

Guest: 01:03:26

Sure.

Bishop H: 01:03:27

And then he puts his own ideologies.

Bishop H: 01:03:29

You only see them later.

Bishop H: 01:03:31

That, oh, my goodness.

Bishop H: 01:03:32

Look at even just african culture, as great as it is.

Bishop H: 01:03:36

It had aspects of Ubuntu whereby we say, I am.

Bishop H: 01:03:40

Because we are.

Guest: 01:03:42

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 01:03:42

Beautiful aspects.

Bishop H: 01:03:44

And it's not everything in the african culture that is from the devil.

Bishop H: 01:03:48

No, because some of those things, concepts are actually biblical concepts.

Host: 01:03:53

Sure, 100%.

Bishop H: 01:03:55

But you now find some things that actually cause us to be against each other.

Bishop H: 01:03:59

Things like tribalism.

Bishop H: 01:04:01

I suddenly feel I'm better and I'm more entitled because I'm from a certain tribe.

Guest: 01:04:07

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:04:08

And that's.

Bishop H: 01:04:08

That's maybe one of the things that maybe a topic that maybe is kind of touchy when somebody was asking that, if you say you on the land, from how far back are you going?

Host: 01:04:20

Yeah, exactly.

Host: 01:04:20

How far back should we go?

Host: 01:04:22

I think it was that I had this conversation with a gentleman I used to work with.

Host: 01:04:28

He was from.

Host: 01:04:29

He's from Venezuela.

Bishop H: 01:04:30

Yeah.

Host: 01:04:30

Now, if you think we're not safe here, there is.

Bishop H: 01:04:34

Is it worse?

Host: 01:04:34

No, the crime was worse.

Host: 01:04:36

Like, for example.

Host: 01:04:37

So it's a.

Host: 01:04:38

He says that they kidnap you wholesale your.

Host: 01:04:44

Wow, they kidnapped you.

Host: 01:04:45

Like, it's like a practice.

Host: 01:04:46

I'm like, ah, where's.

Host: 01:04:47

Where's Bishop?

Host: 01:04:47

H.

Host: 01:04:48

Yeah, he's probably been kidnapped.

Host: 01:04:50

And then they call your wife.

Host: 01:04:51

I'm like, your wife was like, baby, we've been kidnapped again.

Host: 01:04:59

Because of the poverty that is there.

Host: 01:05:01

Not all of Venezuela is poor, but then there's also the.

Host: 01:05:06

Because of the poverty that's there, there's the inequality, and because of that inequality, there's the crime, and the crime is syndicated.

Host: 01:05:13

There's principalities there as well.

Bishop H: 01:05:15

Yeah.

Host: 01:05:15

So he's coming from that background, and he says he would not suggest anyone goes back there or even visit whatnot.

Host: 01:05:24

And then I was, and then he tells me this as my brother's doing work in Venezuela.

Host: 01:05:28

I'm like, no, don't go, bro.

Host: 01:05:30

Don't go.

Host: 01:05:31

Don't do.

Host: 01:05:31

I want you to come back.

Bishop H: 01:05:33

Come home.

Host: 01:05:34

So he, we were having this conversation about, you know, the land grab, land reform, bring back the land, all of that stuff.

Host: 01:05:42

He's like, okay, so with repetitive reparations, we need to be very clear.

Host: 01:05:47

Very clear.

Bishop H: 01:05:47

Yeah.

Host: 01:05:48

It's going back ten years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, 150 years, 200 years.

Bishop H: 01:05:53

I'm gonna go back to the end.

Host: 01:05:54

Of time because we go back to the beginning of time.

Host: 01:05:57

It says in the beginning, God.

Host: 01:05:58

So we must give it all back to God now.

Host: 01:06:00

So, like, how far do we go?

Bishop H: 01:06:01

And then if we say 50 years, what's the rationale?

Host: 01:06:04

Yeah, why 50 years?

Host: 01:06:06

Why not 55 years?

Host: 01:06:07

Yeah, guys, good luck with that one.

Bishop H: 01:06:12

No, we entangling ourselves.

Bishop H: 01:06:15

Yeah, it's interesting times, man.

Bishop H: 01:06:17

It's interesting times.

Bishop H: 01:06:18

We entangling ourselves and for quest of wanting to create our own system.

Guest: 01:06:25

Yeah.

Host: 01:06:26

But we've, like, we're not going to learn because we've failed.

Host: 01:06:30

It's not as we failed.

Host: 01:06:32

Like, I don't know what would you think?

Host: 01:06:33

But I think that we failed wholesale, like, and we continue to fail.

Bishop H: 01:06:38

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:06:38

And that's the thing.

Bishop H: 01:06:39

I think God, God is kind of secure.

Bishop H: 01:06:43

He is secure in.

Guest: 01:06:43

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 01:06:44

So he allows you when you think, you know, when parents, when you want to do your own thing, other parents will say, not in my house, I'll lock you up.

Host: 01:06:54

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 01:06:55

And then you grow up and say, oh, God, I've got issues that used to be looked up.

Guest: 01:06:58

Mm hmm.

Bishop H: 01:06:59

But anyways, God doesn't do that.

Bishop H: 01:07:02

He says, hey, you feel you want to go out there and do it your own way?

Host: 01:07:07

Yeah, sure.

Bishop H: 01:07:08

What do you need from him?

Bishop H: 01:07:10

Check the parable of the prodigal son.

Guest: 01:07:12

Yeah.

Host: 01:07:13

He lets him go.

Host: 01:07:13

He lets him go.

Host: 01:07:14

He gives him money.

Bishop H: 01:07:15

He gives him money.

Bishop H: 01:07:16

He says, you want money to spend?

Host: 01:07:17

Right.

Bishop H: 01:07:18

Okay, good.

Host: 01:07:19

Sure.

Bishop H: 01:07:20

I'm not going to take away my brains that I gave you.

Bishop H: 01:07:22

I'm going to allow you to be an intellect.

Bishop H: 01:07:24

I'm not gonna take the gift, if I gave you the gift of singing, of mathematics, of selling, I'm gonna allow that gift and I'm gonna say, take the gift with you.

Guest: 01:07:32

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:07:33

And you're gonna go out there and with all your gifts, everything with your intact.

Bishop H: 01:07:37

The only thing that you don't have is that the relationship with the father.

Guest: 01:07:40

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:07:41

And you go out there and you.

Host: 01:07:42

Do life and then we all know how that ends.

Bishop H: 01:07:44

We all know how that ends.

Host: 01:07:46

Badly.

Host: 01:07:47

Like, very badly.

Bishop H: 01:07:49

We abuse other people.

Bishop H: 01:07:51

We abuse ourselves and.

Bishop H: 01:07:54

And we hate other people.

Bishop H: 01:07:56

And I feel, especially in past generations, women had it really at the short.

Host: 01:08:03

End of the stick, had worse than.

Bishop H: 01:08:06

Anyone else, abused, pressed down and all that.

Bishop H: 01:08:12

And all because we want to define life for ourselves.

Guest: 01:08:18

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:08:19

The meaning of it.

Bishop H: 01:08:21

We want to do it for ourselves.

Guest: 01:08:23

Yeah.

Host: 01:08:23

But then we can't.

Bishop H: 01:08:24

It doesn't work.

Host: 01:08:25

Well, we can, but it's.

Host: 01:08:26

The result is not going to be nice.

Guest: 01:08:29

Yeah.

Host: 01:08:29

So what do you say to.

Host: 01:08:31

Because in southern Africa, south, let me just say South Africa right now, you did mention that there was some ancestral worship and veneration that you were involved in.

Host: 01:08:44

That is the case.

Host: 01:08:45

What do you say to the entire population that they are going to church?

Host: 01:08:50

But then there's still the ancestral veneration.

Host: 01:08:52

A friend of mine called it the two part system.

Host: 01:08:57

Because the two part system, you proclaim Jesus Christ, but you still dabble in this.

Host: 01:09:04

What is your message there?

Bishop H: 01:09:05

So maybe I'm going to answer your question the long way.

Bishop H: 01:09:10

The first thing is that we need to understand that ancestral spirits do exist.

Bishop H: 01:09:14

And by saying that, I and a lot of people come and say no, but no, no, unless those things affect.

Bishop H: 01:09:19

There's nothing like that.

Bishop H: 01:09:20

No, there is something like that.

Bishop H: 01:09:21

It's ancestral spirit.

Bishop H: 01:09:23

However, the issue comes that we think they are your grandmother.

Bishop H: 01:09:28

We think they're your grandfather.

Bishop H: 01:09:30

And that's what we think.

Bishop H: 01:09:31

And that's what these principalities have taught you about, want you to believe.

Bishop H: 01:09:38

Right.

Bishop H: 01:09:39

Why do they want you to believe that?

Bishop H: 01:09:41

So that you don't really believe there's a judgment.

Guest: 01:09:44

Mm hmm.

Bishop H: 01:09:45

Because no one wants to talk about that story.

Guest: 01:09:47

Yeah.

Host: 01:09:47

The judgment day.

Bishop H: 01:09:48

Yeah.

Guest: 01:09:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:09:48

So there's no judgment.

Bishop H: 01:09:50

And.

Bishop H: 01:09:50

And when you die, you're actually now a this lovely spirit moving around with no chain, not chained to your body.

Guest: 01:09:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:09:59

So you're even more freertained.

Bishop H: 01:10:03

However, the Bible doesn't teach that.

Bishop H: 01:10:06

And the Bible teaches you that when you die, you wait judgment.

Bishop H: 01:10:10

So you are in some form of prison called hades, where you are kept.

Bishop H: 01:10:14

Anyways, another story.

Bishop H: 01:10:17

So when that practice is introduced, people are worshipping these powerful beings, thinking, is there, dude, if your grandfather couldn't buy a cow, he couldn't even fight colonialism and win.

Bishop H: 01:10:38

And some of those challenges of his time or her time.

Host: 01:10:42

Yeah.

Guest: 01:10:42

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:10:43

How much more now.

Bishop H: 01:10:46

What have they gained that is extra in their debt?

Bishop H: 01:10:48

That is going to give you a leverage.

Host: 01:10:51

I don't have an answer for that.

Bishop H: 01:10:52

Exactly.

Host: 01:10:54

Because no one's been able to give an answer to that.

Bishop H: 01:10:56

If you failed in life.

Bishop H: 01:10:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:11:01

How do you expect to come now and say, I'm gonna help somebody succeed.

Guest: 01:11:06

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:11:06

y take you now and put you to: 1920

Bishop H: 01:11:16

Probably because of the things that you know now and whatnot.

Bishop H: 01:11:20

You'll be a millionaire.

Guest: 01:11:21

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:11:22

you don't take somebody from: 1920

Bishop H: 01:11:27

Put them here and we put them here.

Host: 01:11:29

It's tickets.

Host: 01:11:30

Tickets.

Host: 01:11:31

It's tickets.

Host: 01:11:32

It's tickets.

Host: 01:11:33

They're going to suffer hard.

Guest: 01:11:34

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:11:35

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:11:35

They're going to be the poorest of the poorest.

Bishop H: 01:11:37

Even the poor people are going to think this guy is bad.

Guest: 01:11:39

Yeah.

Guest: 01:11:40

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:11:41

So if you're saying the ancestor, your ancestor that died 200, 350 years, 80 years ago, I need their help now.

Bishop H: 01:11:54

It's not gonna work.

Bishop H: 01:11:57

It's not gonna work.

Bishop H: 01:11:59

If that were true that it's actually your real ancestor, it's not gonna work because they don't have the knowledge and the capacity to just handle the world that we have in.

Guest: 01:12:07

Sure.

Bishop H: 01:12:08

So that whole concept doesn't work.

Bishop H: 01:12:11

It was introduced, it was introduced by fallen angels to perpetuate their own worship and create a substitute for worshipping God.

Bishop H: 01:12:21

And that's the whole system that makes.

Host: 01:12:22

A lot of sense.

Guest: 01:12:23

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:12:24

Now when you come to christians, and this one, I really have to be quite clear.

Guest: 01:12:30

Okay.

Bishop H: 01:12:31

When it comes to christians that do both, those are the, they're the most confused people in the world.

Bishop H: 01:12:40

They're the most confused.

Bishop H: 01:12:43

Don't just go and watch ancestors.

Bishop H: 01:12:45

Much better.

Host: 01:12:46

They're much better.

Bishop H: 01:12:47

Much.

Host: 01:12:47

You've got more reverence for them.

Bishop H: 01:12:49

I have huge respect for them.

Bishop H: 01:12:50

At least they believe in something.

Bishop H: 01:12:52

They're sticking to it.

Host: 01:12:53

They stick it to it.

Host: 01:12:54

Not straddling the lines.

Bishop H: 01:12:56

You can't.

Guest: 01:12:57

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:12:57

Because the Bible is very clear.

Guest: 01:12:59

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:13:00

You shall not worship the dead.

Bishop H: 01:13:02

And it's actually, I think.

Bishop H: 01:13:04

Is it deuteronomy?

Host: 01:13:05

I think it's deuteronomy.

Host: 01:13:06

728.

Bishop H: 01:13:07

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:13:07

Somewhere.

Bishop H: 01:13:08

There's an eight somewhere.

Guest: 01:13:09

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:13:09

But it clearly says, clearly whoever does that is an abomination to God.

Host: 01:13:16

That's a strong word.

Host: 01:13:17

It's a beautiful word.

Bishop H: 01:13:19

It means you make God.

Bishop H: 01:13:22

He's repulsed at you.

Bishop H: 01:13:24

If you could vomit, you would vomit.

Bishop H: 01:13:26

That's an abomination.

Host: 01:13:27

My, my, my.

Bishop H: 01:13:28

I promise.

Host: 01:13:29

My, my, my.

Bishop H: 01:13:30

When you do both.

Guest: 01:13:30

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:13:31

You gotta just decide, yes.

Bishop H: 01:13:33

Am I going to go and worship these angels?

Bishop H: 01:13:37

Oh, I'm going to go to this house and worship God directly.

Guest: 01:13:39

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:13:40

And you just can't do both.

Bishop H: 01:13:42

Yeah, it can't do both.

Bishop H: 01:13:45

And in my sense, I will never.

Bishop H: 01:13:48

Some allow somebody that is lower than me in a sense of whatever, but somebody who's younger, let me just use age.

Bishop H: 01:13:57

I won't allow my three year old baby, my five year old girl to run my household.

Bishop H: 01:14:03

I can't allow her to be the boss of me.

Bishop H: 01:14:06

I won't do that.

Bishop H: 01:14:07

And if Christ has risen me to the level of, it's just God and Christ, I don't want anything above me.

Bishop H: 01:14:16

It's an error.

Bishop H: 01:14:18

I have to be the one in charge.

Bishop H: 01:14:20

So if there are any ancestral spirits, if you want to believe in them, they got to be coming to consult you because you're the big boss.

Bishop H: 01:14:28

If they're there, they have to come because you are at the highest position now.

Host: 01:14:34

Because if you say that you're in Christ.

Bishop H: 01:14:35

Yes.

Host: 01:14:36

You're level above angels, I believe.

Bishop H: 01:14:39

Yes.

Bishop H: 01:14:39

You are just using that.

Host: 01:14:40

Right.

Guest: 01:14:40

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:14:42

So any spirit, if it needs anything, it has to come to you, not.

Host: 01:14:47

The other way around.

Bishop H: 01:14:48

The other way around it.

Bishop H: 01:14:50

I can't be worshipping it.

Bishop H: 01:14:52

If it wants, it can.

Bishop H: 01:14:53

Try worshiping me.

Bishop H: 01:14:55

It shouldn't, but I'm just saying.

Bishop H: 01:14:56

That's a very logic.

Host: 01:14:58

Yeah.

Host: 01:14:58

Worship me.

Host: 01:14:59

I support Chelsea.

Host: 01:14:59

That's.

Host: 01:15:01

That's bad.

Bishop H: 01:15:02

Yeah.

Host: 01:15:02

Okay, so you're basically saying that.

Host: 01:15:04

Pick a side.

Bishop H: 01:15:05

Pick a side.

Host: 01:15:06

Pick a side.

Bishop H: 01:15:07

Yeah.

Host: 01:15:07

Whether, whether you, whether you go right or left, just at least pick a side.

Host: 01:15:11

Make it clear where you are.

Bishop H: 01:15:13

People say no, but this subject, the, the Bible is subject to interpretation, but on that particular matter, it's not.

Host: 01:15:24

Make it plain.

Host: 01:15:25

You're being very clear here.

Host: 01:15:26

Like, no, you're not mincing words here.

Bishop H: 01:15:28

Very clear.

Guest: 01:15:29

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:15:29

If it says it's an abomination, it's an abomination.

Bishop H: 01:15:33

How can you subject that interpretation?

Guest: 01:15:36

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:15:36

How can I say no?

Bishop H: 01:15:38

Maybe it's not a big no.

Bishop H: 01:15:39

It's a, it's an abomination.

Guest: 01:15:41

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:15:41

God says no.

Bishop H: 01:15:44

And all that really comes from, from a false religion major and big thing.

Bishop H: 01:15:52

And people say, but how, how can you say another religion is false?

Bishop H: 01:15:56

Well, in essence, according to the constitution, there's nothing called a false religion.

Guest: 01:16:00

Yeah.

Host: 01:16:01

That's a constitution.

Bishop H: 01:16:02

Yes.

Bishop H: 01:16:03

But if it's not Christianity, to me, it is a false religion.

Bishop H: 01:16:12

Because Christianity or.

Bishop H: 01:16:16

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:16:16

Let me just say Christianity is how God decided we will meet with him.

Guest: 01:16:21

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:16:22

He decides.

Bishop H: 01:16:24

And following Christianity means you're saying, I don't want to be the boss of me.

Bishop H: 01:16:28

I'm okay with having a boss.

Host: 01:16:30

Somebody telling me, go left, go right, eat this, don't eat that.

Bishop H: 01:16:34

Yes.

Host: 01:16:35

Worship like this, go here.

Bishop H: 01:16:37

Exactly.

Bishop H: 01:16:38

We don't set the terms.

Bishop H: 01:16:40

We don't meet and say, let's.

Bishop H: 01:16:41

Hey, angel, my friend, let's change this.

Host: 01:16:45

It's not up to me.

Host: 01:16:47

I just work here.

Bishop H: 01:16:48

It's not exactly.

Bishop H: 01:16:49

I just.

Host: 01:16:50

I just.

Host: 01:16:50

I just work here.

Bishop H: 01:16:53

Man's man.

Bishop H: 01:16:53

Wrong.

Guest: 01:16:54

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:16:56

Like the guy.

Bishop H: 01:16:57

Yeah, the guy, actually.

Guest: 01:16:58

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:16:58

He says at one point, as an ambassador, he says.

Bishop H: 01:17:01

He says it's not my viewpoint that matters.

Guest: 01:17:04

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:17:04

You can't even come and say honest.

Bishop H: 01:17:06

What's your view?

Bishop H: 01:17:06

I don't have a view.

Host: 01:17:07

Doesn't matter.

Host: 01:17:08

It doesn't matter.

Host: 01:17:09

Yeah, it doesn't matter what I think.

Host: 01:17:10

Doesn't matter.

Bishop H: 01:17:11

Doesn't matter.

Host: 01:17:11

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Host: 01:17:13

The rock got that right.

Host: 01:17:14

It doesn't matter.

Host: 01:17:17

Honest.

Host: 01:17:18

What do you think?

Host: 01:17:18

It doesn't matter what you think.

Guest: 01:17:22

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:17:22

Because it doesn't.

Host: 01:17:23

It really doesn't.

Bishop H: 01:17:24

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:17:25

The owner of Planet Earth and the universe says, and we're privileged to know the honor.

Guest: 01:17:32

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:17:32

We're privileged to know the honor.

Bishop H: 01:17:34

And we could have said, no, this is just another religion.

Bishop H: 01:17:38

But he knew we would say that.

Bishop H: 01:17:39

So he came personally and told us and says, guys, this is me.

Bishop H: 01:17:44

I'm gonna tell you.

Bishop H: 01:17:46

And we will say, no, but it's just another guy.

Bishop H: 01:17:48

He says, okay, what's the most powerful thing on earth?

Host: 01:17:51

Death.

Bishop H: 01:17:52

Nothing beats death.

Bishop H: 01:17:54

No, death is the most powerful thing.

Bishop H: 01:17:55

He says, okay, let me show you that I created death and I can beat it.

Bishop H: 01:17:59

I can beat death.

Bishop H: 01:18:01

Death is my baby.

Bishop H: 01:18:03

And he died and he resurrected.

Bishop H: 01:18:06

Historically, even people that are not christians, if you check history books, they say, you know what?

Bishop H: 01:18:12

There is definitely some truth that this guy dies and resurrected.

Guest: 01:18:16

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:18:17

There's so much evidence for that.

Bishop H: 01:18:20

So he's the only one, by the way.

Guest: 01:18:23

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:18:24

In all the religions.

Bishop H: 01:18:25

And if you are to follow anybody and say, you know what?

Bishop H: 01:18:28

I want to have some form of religion, I wouldn't follow the guy who died and died.

Host: 01:18:33

I did come back.

Bishop H: 01:18:34

No, I wouldn't.

Bishop H: 01:18:37

Great concepts maybe, but I wouldn't.

Bishop H: 01:18:41

If the person comes and he died and he resurrected, I'm gonna follow that guy.

Guest: 01:18:45

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:18:46

Because he beats death.

Host: 01:18:48

Even if it doesn't make sense.

Bishop H: 01:18:49

Even if it doesn't make sense.

Bishop H: 01:18:51

This guy kind of proved that he's the real deal.

Guest: 01:18:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:18:54

And.

Bishop H: 01:18:56

And that's me just speaking on a logical basis to say, you know what?

Bishop H: 01:19:01

I'm not gonna follow a team that's always, always losing.

Bishop H: 01:19:04

Bro, don't do that.

Host: 01:19:07

Don't do that.

Host: 01:19:07

Well, we just haven't.

Host: 01:19:08

Was just a bad spell, you know.

Host: 01:19:10

It's bad.

Host: 01:19:12

Charles, what are you doing?

Bishop H: 01:19:14

Yeah, so, yeah, that's.

Bishop H: 01:19:16

That's my take around it.

Guest: 01:19:18

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:19:18

I further on, go to explain in that book.

Bishop H: 01:19:21

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:19:21

And I was just talking about culture.

Guest: 01:19:23

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:19:24

And the different systems that are there.

Bishop H: 01:19:27

The system that are there.

Bishop H: 01:19:29

Let me give you one.

Bishop H: 01:19:30

For example, the food we eat.

Guest: 01:19:35

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:19:36

The food we eat is created, obviously, in the free market economy.

Bishop H: 01:19:41

And the food we eat is honestly not good for us.

Bishop H: 01:19:46

That's just the truth of it.

Guest: 01:19:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:19:48

That's just scientific.

Bishop H: 01:19:50

The food we eat.

Bishop H: 01:19:51

What does the food do?

Bishop H: 01:19:52

Let me talk about the teenager.

Guest: 01:19:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:19:54

The food we eat helps our kids to mature faster.

Guest: 01:19:57

Sure.

Bishop H: 01:19:58

So our kids, very young.

Bishop H: 01:20:01

And let me talk about the girl child.

Bishop H: 01:20:03

It's gonna have boobs at way, way younger age.

Bishop H: 01:20:09

The food they eat is stimulating.

Bishop H: 01:20:11

They give these certain injections.

Bishop H: 01:20:12

Let me use chickens, for example, to help them to grow faster.

Bishop H: 01:20:16

So they give them growth hormones.

Bishop H: 01:20:19

And we eat that chicken, and it gives us what?

Bishop H: 01:20:22

Growth hormones.

Bishop H: 01:20:23

So we grow faster.

Guest: 01:20:25

Okay.

Bishop H: 01:20:26

So our kids mature faster.

Bishop H: 01:20:28

Okay.

Bishop H: 01:20:29

I want you to see how this is working.

Bishop H: 01:20:31

And then now we go and say there's another system whereby we want to entertain them and we give them access to sexual material.

Bishop H: 01:20:41

They're still young.

Bishop H: 01:20:42

And sex is powerful.

Bishop H: 01:20:43

Sex is so powerful that even older people can really control their sexual disorders.

Bishop H: 01:20:50

It's one of the most powerful forces that is on earth.

Bishop H: 01:20:56

And now our kids are exposed to that.

Bishop H: 01:20:59

Young kids.

Bishop H: 01:21:02

Their body has already grown.

Bishop H: 01:21:05

Then they're exposed to that sexual material that arouses so many other things in them.

Bishop H: 01:21:12

What chance have they got?

Host: 01:21:13

None.

Host: 01:21:14

Zero to none.

Host: 01:21:16

Well, without Christ.

Bishop H: 01:21:17

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:21:18

Without Christ.

Bishop H: 01:21:18

Yeah.

Host: 01:21:19

A very hard time to do so.

Bishop H: 01:21:21

So.

Bishop H: 01:21:22

And then we expect them to.

Bishop H: 01:21:24

To be, you know, shouting at them and speaking bad about them when we've.

Host: 01:21:30

Been feeding all these things.

Bishop H: 01:21:31

It's not gonna change anything, really.

Bishop H: 01:21:33

And it's nothing.

Bishop H: 01:21:33

Not even fair on them, because they can't help it.

Bishop H: 01:21:38

They honestly can't help it.

Bishop H: 01:21:42

That's why things like virginity become, like, really a vengeance still.

Host: 01:21:46

Do they exist?

Bishop H: 01:21:47

Dude, you're 16.

Bishop H: 01:21:51

What's wrong with you?

Host: 01:21:52

You're six years too late.

Guest: 01:21:53

Imagine that.

Bishop H: 01:21:54

What's wrong with you?

Bishop H: 01:21:55

Exactly.

Guest: 01:21:56

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:21:57

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:21:57

The other day, it's sad because I see these cases every day.

Bishop H: 01:22:01

The other day, I think I had a 14 year old and there's a huge chance she's pregnant.

Bishop H: 01:22:06

And I'm seeing these things.

Bishop H: 01:22:08

I was with a 13 year old and the 13 year old, the parents found out that she's been busy sending funny pictures to the opposite sex and vice versa.

Bishop H: 01:22:20

So you can see that the world, the way it's created and the systems, the way they are created, they're not there for our greatest good.

Host: 01:22:28

No.

Bishop H: 01:22:29

Because once you go down that road.

Host: 01:22:30

Guys, it's so hard to come back.

Bishop H: 01:22:32

Can come back.

Bishop H: 01:22:33

It's very hard.

Bishop H: 01:22:36

You haven't even known who you are.

Host: 01:22:39

And now you're already being defined by something already.

Host: 01:22:44

You're right.

Bishop H: 01:22:45

You haven't figured out who NJ is.

Guest: 01:22:47

No.

Bishop H: 01:22:48

You're still kind of in the process of wanting to figure out.

Bishop H: 01:22:51

And already there's this other entity that is already defining.

Bishop H: 01:22:55

Defining you.

Guest: 01:22:56

Yeah.

Host: 01:22:57

Jeez.

Host: 01:22:57

Hey, Bishop, we're getting to a point we're gonna have to conclude.

Host: 01:23:00

So I'm gonna give you the platform.

Bishop H: 01:23:02

Yeah.

Host: 01:23:03

To ask me a question or two if you have it.

Bishop H: 01:23:08

So, yeah, I'm gonna take the chance, just for the sake of taking the job.

Bishop H: 01:23:13

And I want to find out from you.

Guest: 01:23:17

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:23:17

On maybe certain, because you sit with so many professionals and so many thinkers.

Guest: 01:23:23

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:23:23

And.

Bishop H: 01:23:25

But I want to find out from you what's the general consensus about the solution that we need to start turning our country, especially South Africa, and turning it towards a tide whereby, because right now it looks like we're going downhill.

Guest: 01:23:41

Yeah.

Host: 01:23:42

We've been going on that trajectory for quite a while.

Bishop H: 01:23:45

For quite a while.

Guest: 01:23:46

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:23:46

And we're losing kids, we're losing families.

Guest: 01:23:51

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:23:52

And every time I pass through a place of entertainment, I see men there.

Bishop H: 01:23:57

You go to churches, you find women.

Host: 01:24:00

Yeah, that's.

Host: 01:24:02

I think that's one of the biggest problems.

Host: 01:24:05

So to turn South Africa around, I'll look at it just from a culture and society perspective.

Host: 01:24:14

The wholesale theme that I've been seeing from entertainers, especially, like women, give you a very fresh perspective because I don't think like them.

Host: 01:24:26

So, yeah, I've got a different perspective.

Host: 01:24:28

And then also the guys as well, is the war seems to be against manhood and masculinity.

Host: 01:24:39

That's what the war seems to be.

Host: 01:24:40

That's what seems to be most under attack.

Host: 01:24:43

The.

Host: 01:24:43

The strong feminists, the.

Host: 01:24:48

The hyper sexualization of both men and women.

Bishop H: 01:24:51

Yeah.

Host: 01:24:52

The men being worked out of jobs, being told that they are trash, and if you.

Host: 01:25:02

I thought about it for a while.

Host: 01:25:03

If you break down men, you bring down men, you might as well just take the whole society with you.

Host: 01:25:08

Yeah, because I was fortunate to grow up with a strong father and I had a strong father until I was like 29.

Host: 01:25:14

So I really can't complain because I had a model.

Host: 01:25:18

He was very protective, he never failed to provide even though he had pressures.

Host: 01:25:23

He was far from perfect but we all knew that.

Host: 01:25:27

And he instilled discipline and education and taking care of a woman, not harming them mentally, emotionally, physically and learning to stand up on your own 2ft he said that you better make sure that you make as much money as possible because the world is cruel to poor men.

Host: 01:25:51

It's very cruel, very cruel.

Host: 01:25:54

I remember one time I think was before I launched my first book.

Host: 01:25:58

d his kid and the kid washing: 1718

Host: 01:26:12

help to put together a cv at: 1718

Host: 01:26:22

He says he wants to go work.

Host: 01:26:24

So he brings to me his results.

Host: 01:26:26

My dad's sitting there and I'm sitting here and I'm like in focus more to say, okay, I've got a book launch tomorrow so I'm not gonna waste this kid's time but I'm gonna give him time.

Host: 01:26:38

And his dad was also there.

Host: 01:26:40

This kid gives me the cv and not the CV, he's his results.

Bishop H: 01:26:44

Yeah.

Host: 01:26:46

I was like, you know, I was shocked, I was shocked.

Host: 01:26:52

33 for maths, something for 50 for history, English was like low and all that.

Host: 01:26:59

And then he wants to immediately go and get a job.

Host: 01:27:03

He wants to immediately go work.

Host: 01:27:05

So I looked at this and I was like yo, I don't want to be judgmental but I'm like this is not looking nice for you.

Host: 01:27:12

Yeah, because if you leave now, let's say that you can't be successful, not to say that you can't make something of yourself, but if you leave now and go and work.

Host: 01:27:22

I'm just looking at the probability.

Host: 01:27:24

Yeah, down the road there, there was security guards, you know those operate the booms.

Host: 01:27:31

Yeah, there's a security guards there, there's the car guards at the park, at the office parks and malls.

Host: 01:27:39

There are those people who are homeless, there are those people who work construction and I say there's anything wrong with all of those but majority when you speak to people.

Host: 01:27:49

That's why I think it's very beneficial for us to let take our egos aside and just listen to people's stories.

Host: 01:27:56

You get so many, so much perspective how the things that they, what they earn, how they struggle just to get, just to get by, just to move forward.

Host: 01:28:05

It's very, very difficult.

Host: 01:28:07

And then now we're expecting people like, like that who are disenfranchised, who have less of a shot at life because of their own poor decisions.

Bishop H: 01:28:17

Yeah.

Host: 01:28:18

And they did not have people telling them or guiding them in the right way to say, yo, listen, I know what you're about to do, but if you go down this road, you're going to have a tough time.

Host: 01:28:29

Not to say that you can't make it, but it's probably that you're not.

Host: 01:28:33

And I said to him, you need to forget about going to work next year because what job are you going to get with this?

Host: 01:28:39

Couldn't tell me.

Host: 01:28:40

You're going to be, probably going to work to be a car guard and all these jobs are full and they're competitive and then you can't work what you're doing.

Host: 01:28:46

Looking to get peace jobs, whatever.

Host: 01:28:48

But if you have a shot, some of these people was just circumstantial.

Host: 01:28:51

They didn't have a chance.

Host: 01:28:52

Now you have a chance, you have a shot.

Host: 01:28:55

I would say go back to grade nine and start and do your marks again, and then you've got a more of a better chance.

Host: 01:29:05

And then you can get him a trick.

Host: 01:29:08

Go to university and then also start looking and starting your own enterprise and starting your own business so that you can also learn those skills and accountability.

Host: 01:29:17

But if you're going to start now at minus 520 years from now, think about what your life is going to be like 20 years from now.

Bishop H: 01:29:26

Yeah.

Host: 01:29:26

So I think that is a common theme that has been coming across because we're trying to solve all these big macro problems where we should be solving the solution at the micro.

Host: 01:29:38

You know, as they say, charity begins at home.

Host: 01:29:40

People need to go and fix their own homes.

Host: 01:29:42

And you start by fixing yourself.

Host: 01:29:44

I'm big on personal accountability.

Host: 01:29:45

Start with fixing yourself on what you need to fix.

Host: 01:29:48

Because we all know that government has problems.

Bishop H: 01:29:52

Yeah.

Host: 01:29:52

We all know that.

Bishop H: 01:29:53

Yeah.

Host: 01:29:54

When, when load shedding was still a thing in this country.

Host: 01:29:56

Shout out for no load shedding in a while.

Host: 01:29:58

Shout out.

Host: 01:29:59

Shout out.

Host: 01:29:59

Thank you, thank you.

Host: 01:30:01

Thank you.

Host: 01:30:02

So when load sharing was like at peak, people would still be shocked when there was load sharing, I'm like, why are you shocked?

Host: 01:30:09

This is, this is happening.

Host: 01:30:10

You can be angry, you can protest, but this still happens.

Host: 01:30:14

And people can be evil out there.

Host: 01:30:18

Yes, we all know that.

Host: 01:30:19

Now the question is, what do you.

Host: 01:30:20

What are you personally going to do about it?

Host: 01:30:23

What is it that you can fix?

Host: 01:30:25

Instead of complaining about poverty, try do something to help alleviate the poverty.

Host: 01:30:34

What.

Host: 01:30:35

Whatever it is, something is better than nothing.

Host: 01:30:37

Something is better than nothing is better than nothing.

Host: 01:30:40

And the problem is, is that what I found in conversations with everyone.

Host: 01:30:44

I mean, I've had people who were married and then they were divorced and then they were abused and then they were beaten.

Host: 01:30:49

I've had single mothers come in.

Host: 01:30:54

The man did a number on them.

Host: 01:30:56

I've had men whose wife has left them.

Host: 01:31:01

It seems to be a human problem.

Host: 01:31:03

And I would say, I would preach Christ to them and then leave them there.

Host: 01:31:06

And then if they make the choice, not.

Host: 01:31:08

But even if they didn't make that choice, the still conversation is, you need to make the most of yourself with the best principles possible.

Host: 01:31:16

Because I couldn't call Sir Maposa right now and say, even I wish we could.

Host: 01:31:23

Yeah, you need to go fix this.

Host: 01:31:25

But then why am I asking somebody else to fix something if there are things around me that I haven't fixed?

Bishop H: 01:31:29

It's not fair.

Host: 01:31:30

It's not fair.

Host: 01:31:31

It's hypocritical.

Host: 01:31:32

Like, there are things that you can fix, you can voice your opinion.

Host: 01:31:35

But at the end of the day, if you say that you want to fix South Africa.

Host: 01:31:40

South Africa is a country.

Host: 01:31:42

In Africa, some people think that Africa is this one big part.

Host: 01:31:50

I remember I was in the UK when I was 13, and this is this american lady, they call it a ferry there.

Host: 01:32:01

She said, where you from?

Host: 01:32:03

I said, I'm from.

Host: 01:32:05

I'm from South Africa.

Host: 01:32:07

And it's like, is that in Africa?

Host: 01:32:09

I'm like, yes, it is.

Host: 01:32:10

Where in Africa is it?

Host: 01:32:11

I'm like, as it is in the name.

Host: 01:32:16

So South Africa is a country and you were talking about principalities and all that.

Host: 01:32:22

A country is made up of provinces.

Bishop H: 01:32:24

Yeah.

Host: 01:32:24

The province is made up of.

Host: 01:32:26

I don't know if it's like regions, you know, and then that is made up of do like your suburbs, and your suburbs is made up of neighborhoods, and a neighborhood is made up of a household.

Host: 01:32:36

So if you start at the household and then the household is made up of what a person.

Host: 01:32:41

So if you start literally, you start literally fixing yourself and becoming the best that you can before everybody else, then that's going to be good.

Host: 01:32:49

I mean, also in a church context, people complaining about, you know, they complain, Bishop H is not even.

Host: 01:32:55

He's preaching this thing, and it's not even scripturally sound and whatnot.

Host: 01:33:00

But they don't go to church.

Host: 01:33:01

They don't read the Bible.

Host: 01:33:03

They don't even serve in any ministry.

Host: 01:33:05

They're not working out their salvation.

Host: 01:33:08

So we so far like to look at how do I fix South Africa?

Host: 01:33:12

But not just thinking about how do I fix what I have here?

Host: 01:33:16

Because they are all the deficiencies that we have.

Host: 01:33:19

We wake up late, we're hateful, we're angry.

Host: 01:33:21

You know, all those things, everyone that I've spoken to, they smart, intelligent.

Host: 01:33:28

There's only certain things that you can control.

Host: 01:33:30

And the things that you can control, you better do them well.

Bishop H: 01:33:33

Yeah.

Host: 01:33:33

You need to do them well.

Host: 01:33:35

So that's.

Host: 01:33:36

That's the thing.

Host: 01:33:36

And also, you have people complaining a lot.

Host: 01:33:39

You remember the quota said, children are messengers to a future that we will never see.

Bishop H: 01:33:45

Yeah.

Host: 01:33:46

Now, the thing is, you're saying that you want a better South Africa.

Host: 01:33:52

So then one of the best things that you can do is to model what a better South Africa looks like to your children or the children around you, because they're going to take that message and go into the future.

Host: 01:34:03

So if your current reality is disorganized, hateful, angry, lazy, evil, engaging in witchcraft and YouTube, what system, the old children are going to take that into the future.

Bishop H: 01:34:24

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:34:25

Yeah.

Host: 01:34:25

So it begins with.

Host: 01:34:29

Literally begins with a man in the mirror.

Host: 01:34:30

And in every single industry, whether some people are entertainers and they're like, aha, this industry, oh, it's so bad.

Host: 01:34:36

So, like this.

Host: 01:34:36

But like, what are you doing?

Host: 01:34:38

What are you doing?

Host: 01:34:39

Are you just complaining or you.

Host: 01:34:41

Are you trying to fix it?

Bishop H: 01:34:42

Yeah.

Host: 01:34:43

People not giving opportunities.

Host: 01:34:45

Start your own event.

Host: 01:34:47

Like, start something.

Host: 01:34:49

Start something.

Host: 01:34:49

Start having to have that initiative was that.

Host: 01:34:52

That will lead to a better self.

Host: 01:34:53

Because I want this country to be better.

Host: 01:34:56

I want the world to be better, but it has to start with myself, has to start with my family, that has to start with wherever it is that I go.

Host: 01:35:04

Because you.

Host: 01:35:05

Somebody said you are the only bible some people will read.

Bishop H: 01:35:09

Yeah.

Host: 01:35:10

And you are the only message, or you're the only message that people will ever, ever hear.

Host: 01:35:14

So if you say, I want to be committed and hard working, there's someone who will never see what committed and hardworking looks like unless you're there.

Bishop H: 01:35:21

Yeah.

Host: 01:35:22

So that's if we want to, like, really turn the tide instead of having the victim mentality.

Bishop H: 01:35:29

Yeah.

Host: 01:35:29

So I say, okay, yeah.

Host: 01:35:30

We all think that doesn't negate that things are bad.

Host: 01:35:33

Things are bad, things are bad.

Host: 01:35:35

They're bad.

Host: 01:35:36

But then instead of having the victim mentality come back to it and say, okay, I know it's tough out there.

Host: 01:35:41

For example, it's cold.

Host: 01:35:42

It's cold.

Bishop H: 01:35:42

Yeah.

Host: 01:35:43

Instead of like, ah, it's cold out there.

Guest: 01:35:44

Okay.

Host: 01:35:44

Put on a jacket, make yourself warm.

Host: 01:35:48

Do what, do what you can with what you have and then also be grateful for what you have.

Host: 01:35:52

Because a person who's grateful is not going to point out faults and fault finding and just complaining all the time.

Host: 01:35:58

Because I tried complaining a long time.

Host: 01:35:59

It hasn't helped me.

Host: 01:36:00

It hasn't helped me.

Host: 01:36:01

It hasn't helped me.

Host: 01:36:02

Unless I'm trying to get service delivery.

Host: 01:36:04

Then if I can complain and complain, maybe they'll listen.

Host: 01:36:06

But wholesale hasn't changed a single thing.

Host: 01:36:10

So that's how you change your culture.

Host: 01:36:14

That's how you change your household.

Host: 01:36:15

That's how you change.

Host: 01:36:17

Like, if you have, if you live for some kids out there, if you're living with your parents, they say, this house is dirty.

Host: 01:36:22

Don't complain.

Host: 01:36:23

Clean it.

Host: 01:36:23

Clean it, clean it.

Host: 01:36:25

Yes.

Host: 01:36:26

And then it makes it easier to have the conversation.

Host: 01:36:28

If you want more pocket money because you've done something, just, just do, if you can do something about something.

Host: 01:36:33

I don't know.

Host: 01:36:34

Somebody said, I think on the show, they say to me, you can always do something about your situation.

Host: 01:36:40

Always.

Host: 01:36:40

There's always something that you can do about your situation.

Host: 01:36:43

So now what are you gonna do?

Host: 01:36:45

Are you gonna complain or you want to do something?

Host: 01:36:48

Complaining is not doing something.

Host: 01:36:50

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's, that's how I see it.

Bishop H: 01:36:53

I think you've just given me a salmon for tomorrow.

Host: 01:36:57

That's, that's, that's good.

Host: 01:36:58

That's good.

Bishop H: 01:36:59

Eddie, maybe last comment.

Bishop H: 01:37:01

Yeah, yeah.

Host: 01:37:02

Let's ask for your last comments.

Bishop H: 01:37:03

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:04

Just to say, I think from just what you were saying here, I'm quite inspired.

Guest: 01:37:09

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:10

And, and I'm encouraged to keep on doing something.

Guest: 01:37:13

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:14

And I'm just seeing that.

Bishop H: 01:37:15

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:15

For sure.

Bishop H: 01:37:16

We're actually trying to solve things on a higher level.

Guest: 01:37:18

Yeah, yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:19

I, and the problem is actually on a lower level.

Host: 01:37:22

It is.

Bishop H: 01:37:22

And I remember Adam saying, it's the wife.

Bishop H: 01:37:25

You gave me the wife saying, no, it's the devil.

Bishop H: 01:37:28

And that's how he got to be in charge, by the way, because we deferred authority to him.

Host: 01:37:33

Oh, is it?

Host: 01:37:34

Oh, that is, that is, that is so deep.

Bishop H: 01:37:36

Yes.

Host: 01:37:36

I never thought of it that way.

Bishop H: 01:37:38

Yes, we.

Bishop H: 01:37:38

God said.

Bishop H: 01:37:39

That's why God asked Adam.

Bishop H: 01:37:40

He knew everything.

Bishop H: 01:37:41

But says adam, but adam said, I.

Host: 01:37:44

Put you in charge.

Bishop H: 01:37:44

I put you in charge.

Bishop H: 01:37:45

No, it's not me.

Bishop H: 01:37:46

It's the woman.

Bishop H: 01:37:47

So the woman became in charge momentarily.

Guest: 01:37:48

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:49

And the woman, God came to the woman and said, nope, is the devil.

Guest: 01:37:53

Yeah.

Bishop H: 01:37:53

And the devil never complained.

Host: 01:37:55

He's like, I'll take.

Bishop H: 01:37:55

Just listen.

Bishop H: 01:37:56

He says, I'll take the authority.

Host: 01:37:57

Yeah, sure.

Bishop H: 01:37:57

Because if you can take the accountability, it means you are in charge, and you have to be in charge.

Host: 01:38:03

That is so deep.

Host: 01:38:04

That is so deep.

Bishop H: 01:38:05

So, yeah, I think that's a message, maybe, to all christians out there to say, guys, this is our problem.

Bishop H: 01:38:11

This is our issue, and we've got the power to change it.

Host: 01:38:16

Sure we do.

Bishop H: 01:38:17

By loving people and loving one another.

Bishop H: 01:38:20

And that's where we start.

Bishop H: 01:38:22

And love is an action.

Bishop H: 01:38:23

You keep on doing something for the next person to better them, 100%.

Bishop H: 01:38:27

And my people in my church, they call me father.

Bishop H: 01:38:30

Not that I'm a father.

Bishop H: 01:38:33

I'm not that kind of father.

Bishop H: 01:38:34

But we're living in a fatherless generation, and I've had people come back and say, you know what?

Bishop H: 01:38:39

I didn't do that thing because I thought, what would my father say?

Host: 01:38:41

Exactly.

Host: 01:38:42

Hey.

Bishop H: 01:38:44

And this person grew up without a father, and they're looking at me and say, hey, daddy, what must I do?

Bishop H: 01:38:49

What must I do?

Guest: 01:38:50

Inspiring.

Bishop H: 01:38:51

So can we not all be fathers?

Host: 01:38:53

We can.

Host: 01:38:54

We can.

Bishop H: 01:38:55

Because we obviously see there's an issue of fatherhood.

Bishop H: 01:38:58

Maybe that's a place where we can start.

Bishop H: 01:39:00

But thank you for having me on the show, 100%.

Bishop H: 01:39:02

I didn't know time was gonna fly so much.

Host: 01:39:04

I told you.

Host: 01:39:05

I did not tell you telling me.

Bishop H: 01:39:07

I was like, what the heck is he talking about?

Bishop H: 01:39:08

I'm not gonna talk for, like, an hour.

Host: 01:39:10

I told you.

Host: 01:39:11

I told you.

Host: 01:39:12

But then the conversation was going the way it was going, because that's.

Host: 01:39:15

That's good.

Host: 01:39:16

So thank you very much for taking the time to listen to this episode and watch if you're on.

Host: 01:39:23

On YouTube.

Host: 01:39:24

I've had the honor of having the honorable bishop H.

Host: 01:39:28

And also, for christians out there, if you have someone in authority, don't call them brother.

Host: 01:39:34

Don't call them brah.

Host: 01:39:35

You're breaking spiritual protocol.

Host: 01:39:37

If God has called him bishop, you call him bishop.

Host: 01:39:39

If you call them prophet, he's called him prophet.

Host: 01:39:41

He says his pastor.

Host: 01:39:42

He's my pastor and also with God.

Host: 01:39:44

God is not your uncle.

Guest: 01:39:49

Yeah.

Host: 01:39:50

So Bishop H.

Host: 01:39:51

He's got his book, one of his books out.

Host: 01:39:54

Journey of a thousand miles, battle for your soul.

Host: 01:39:57

Please go.

Host: 01:39:58

You can go check it out on Amazon.

Host: 01:39:59

You can go.

Host: 01:40:00

You can go get it there.

Host: 01:40:01

If people want to connect with you, how do they connect with you?

Bishop H: 01:40:04

I can just reach out.

Host: 01:40:05

Reach out.

Bishop H: 01:40:06

My number is: 078910

Bishop H: 01:40:08

Yeah,: 6502

Guest: 01:40:10

Yes, sir.

Bishop H: 01:40:10

Obviously.

Bishop H: 01:40:11

What's up?

Bishop H: 01:40:11

If you do calling, I'm not gonna be able to kind of.

Bishop H: 01:40:14

Hello, how are you?

Host: 01:40:17

Okay.

Guest: 01:40:17

All right.

Bishop H: 01:40:18

Yeah.

Host: 01:40:18

So then also check it out on Amazon for a lot of.

Host: 01:40:21

I can't wait to read this one.

Host: 01:40:23

I can keep this one, right?

Bishop H: 01:40:24

Yeah, of course.

Host: 01:40:24

Oh, sure.

Host: 01:40:24

Thank you.

Host: 01:40:25

Thank you.

Guest: 01:40:25

Yeah.

Host: 01:40:25

That's not a video.

Host: 01:40:26

That's why you say so.

Host: 01:40:28

Thank you very much for another edition of the NGA podcast.

Host: 01:40:32

Remember that success is a progressive of a worthy idea.

Host: 01:40:34

That means you're going after what you've always wanted to go after because it's aligned with your highest values that have been inspired by a creator.

Host: 01:40:40

And that is the only way for you to live a truly fulfilled and successful life.

Host: 01:40:44

And I will see you on the next episode.

Bishop H: 01:40:46

Thank you.

Guest: 01:40:52

Yeah.